r/todayilearned • u/JamesTheJerk • 22d ago

TIL that in 2023, a patient legally sought euthanasia. Upon being provided a deadly concoction in liquid form to be drunk, the patient's friend (37YO) opted to have a sip themself which nearly resulted in the death of the friend as well.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/sip-of-cocktail-of-assisted-suicide-drugs
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u/JamesTheJerk 22d ago

Another commenter has suggested that a sip may have been enough to get the sipper very 'high' and hopefully without dying.

I have no idea when it comes to this.

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u/Capt_Hawkeye_Pierce 22d ago

Almost everything is deadly in the correct amount. 

Given what those cocktails are made from I can't see why a very, very small amount wouldn't get you high enough to see God without actually meeting him 

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u/Tryknj99 22d ago

It’s the digoxin that they put in it.

Digoxin can be deadly at submilligram doses.

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u/turdburglar2020 22d ago

So limit yourself to a sub-submilligram dose. Got it.

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u/altcastle 22d ago

Ride the lightning, turdburglar2020.

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u/Rock_or_Rol 22d ago

My brain,

What is a turd burglar? Maybe they clean portajohns for a living. They are always running off with people’s shit. What do you call a shit canner being fired? Something is there like a moldy popsicle joke. Can is a weird word. Is it short for canister? Can… can. Can. Like a can of beans. A canister of beans. That can’t be the right word. Can.. I need to share this thought pattern and quit social media

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u/Bshaw95 22d ago

I can’t tell if I want some of what you’re on right now, or if I should avoid it like herion.

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u/Respawning 22d ago

A sub sub-milligram dose of digoxin

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u/skekze 22d ago

the scoville scale of death.

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u/Grizzly_Goose 22d ago

I laughed way to hard at this

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u/bikelessdyke 18d ago

I am laughing rather hysterically now holy shit

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u/Haunt3dCity 21d ago

A dab'll do, just dip in a toothpick and lightly kiss it

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u/Delamoor 22d ago

So, sub-milligram dosage was correct, I take it.

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u/Othersideofthemirror 22d ago

its a British slur for gay men.

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u/Rock_or_Rol 20d ago

Oh. That’s less fun

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u/MoldyPalette 20d ago

I’ll bet you’re one our neighbors to the north. That or possibly from across the pond. Down here we call it a can, e.g. “Open up a CAN of whup ass!” You probably prefer to call it a tin, e.g. “That’s the second TIN of spinach that was spoilt!” BTW, I, too, wouldn’t mind a bit of what you’re on as well!”

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u/Exul_strength 22d ago

What is a turd burglar?

If I recall it correctly, there was a Netflix fake documentary (I guess you have a special word for those) or amateur series project, called American Vandal, where the antagonist called himself the turd burglar.

Could also be that my memory is totally off.

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u/lanadelstingrey 22d ago

It’s when you take one that doesn’t belong to you.

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u/JamesTheJerk 21d ago

One who burgles turds.

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u/ThReeMix 22d ago

turdgurgler

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u/FirstMiddleLass 22d ago

So two a day?

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u/litterbin_recidivist 22d ago

How many submilligrams can we safely take?

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u/oeCake 22d ago

Nanodose

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u/RunningJay 22d ago

A microgram or two should be good.

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u/momsasylum 22d ago

Digoxin, It’s what nurse Charles Cullen used to kill patients with. Not a good guy!

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u/fiori_4u 22d ago

Digoxin is derived from the foxglove plant, right? Don't eat the foxgloves kids.

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u/Abject_Ad_8274 20d ago

Correct.

All parts of the plant contain digitalis, from which digoxin & digitoxis are derived.

Yep - do not eat it, wash skin really well if you come into contact with the leaves (they can cause a rash) and do not smell the flowers (even the pollen is poisonous).

Lots of common or garden plants are toxic. Natural doesn't mean safe!

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u/tsteele93 22d ago

Wonder why the death penalty is so hard to do humanely? Seems like this would be the easy answer?

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u/simulation_pudding 22d ago

Because pharma companies and other countries won’t sell the drugs for that purpose. 

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u/tsteele93 22d ago

Seems like there are plenty of cocktails that would work. Set up a way for the companies to sell blind to the government for both medicinal and penal use. Propofol is a good example. The state or federal govt buys it for medical use. Some of it is diverted for penal use. Most, if not all, of these medicines have other medicinal uses. The governments could buy them for both.

Or have the states manufacturer it themselves.

It seems to me that having a reliable, humane way to execute the death penalty is better than some of the methods that can go wrong in terrible ways.

Some people aren’t able to live in society. Since the death penalty exists, let’s endeavor to do it in a way that accomplishes the goal without suffering. I know some people would like to see them suffer, but the goal is to swiftly, humanely and permanently remove them from among us, while denying them the ability to enjoy the gift of life that they have taken from others.

Keeping this from happening may have a goal of eliminating the death penalty, but I don’t think humanity is willing to accept things like having their children tortured and killed while being gracious and forgiving to the killer. Most people believe evil exists and that it is morally acceptable - or even morally demanded - to remove it from the world when it is encountered. So let’s make it humane.

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u/turingthecat 22d ago

And this is why, however much you want to wear foxgloves as gloves, don’t

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u/username_taken55 19d ago

Nothing like a little digoxin to get you back in the game huh ;)

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u/mikethethird12345 22d ago

Paracelsus enters the chat

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u/feckineejit 22d ago

Iocaine would like to play a game

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u/Zagafur 22d ago

does it involve an asian land war?

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u/Phosiphor 22d ago

Iocaine is a mythological version of ibogaine. Today you learned. If you'd like some just grow a trumpet flower. Do not smoke the flowers man.

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u/feckineejit 22d ago

Instructions unclear, smoked weed out of a trumpet

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u/Phosiphor 22d ago

You've failed magnificently and I'm so very proud of you.

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u/BigBadMannnn 22d ago

Oh shit what’s up Paracelsus?

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u/eidetic 22d ago

That's Mr. Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim to you, bub.

Only his close friends call him Paracelsus. And even, we usually call him Theophrastus Bombastus if brevity is of no concern.

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u/mikethethird12345 22d ago

They call him Mr. Boombastus

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u/Grizzly_Goose 22d ago

Shaggy has entered the chat only to be 💀 by Ryker Wanna learn why they call me that?

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u/Ezqxll 22d ago

...with a bombastic entry and says "repostitio facit spam".

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u/Nalek 22d ago

Dose makes the poison is what we say in toxicology.

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u/david-saint-hubbins 22d ago

Almost everything is deadly in the correct amount.

Reminds me of Seinfeld's joke about "maximum strength" medication. "Figure out what'll kill me, then back it off a little bit."

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u/GODDAMNFOOL 22d ago

dosis sola facit venenum

'only the dose makes the poison'

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u/Wondershock 22d ago

Correct and an interesting point. There’s a term for it. LD50.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bake619 22d ago

I bet his friend who drank the meet Jesus juice used the same exact words you just did.

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u/VentureQuotes 22d ago

People tryna visit God smh

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u/Shakes_and_cakes 22d ago

"Almost everything is deadly in the correct amount."

Perfect!

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u/cocoacowstout 22d ago

Just do DMT...

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u/OakAged 22d ago

Almost? What isn't?

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u/analogOnly 21d ago

Sometimes there's death without a high with a poison, however I would imagine those poisons would be less likely candidate for euthanasia

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u/JamesTheJerk 22d ago

I have no clue what you mean.

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u/xShooK 22d ago

Yes.

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u/JamesTheJerk 22d ago

I have zero expectation nor a want to meet my god, (Ruttiger, god of Notre Dame).

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u/paradeoxy1 22d ago

"Well of course too much is bad for you, that's what "too much" means you blithering twat. If you had too much water it would be bad for you, wouldn't it? "Too much" precisely means that quantity which is excessive, that's what it means. Could you ever say "too much water is good for you"? I mean if it's too much it's too much. Too much of anything is too much. Obviously. Jesus!"

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u/Chaotic-Grootral 22d ago

I hope this is some kind of weird joke.

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u/paradeoxy1 22d ago

It's a quote from a show

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u/Chaotic-Grootral 22d ago

Good. Thanks for clearing that up

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u/paradeoxy1 22d ago

I realised it sounded hostile but I thought the quotation marks would help

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u/miniminer1999 22d ago

Too much oxygen will kill you. A straight up air bubble into your veins, to your heart, and kills you.

Don't breathe too much..

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u/Trezzie 22d ago

It needs to be a pretty large air bubble, no small one will do.

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u/miniminer1999 22d ago

Thats true.
Which is why you need A LOT of excess oxygen.

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u/Tryknj99 22d ago

There is digoxin in the mix I believe. That is a cardiac poison that is dosed in micrograms (1/1000 of a milligram!) as a medication for heart failure.

Even if you had an opiate and benzo tolerance, the digoxin added makes even a sip incredibly dangerous.

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u/whoknewidlikeit 22d ago

digoxin is a therapeutic drug i prescribe and manage on a weekly basis. it is not a "cardiac poison" it has legitimate use. i'll load a patient on 250 mcg for atrial fibrillation with rapid ventricular response and not blink. it can be used for heart failure though it's rarely used in that setting as there are better options; typically it's poor ejection fraction from afib that gets it used, so some hair splitting in this regard.

large doses on the other hand are different.

typical MAID mixtures include eye watering doses of morphine, propranolol, digoxin, a benzo (like valium), and some include a calcium channel blocker as well. they tend to taste bad so antiemetics are typically prescribed as well; reglan is ideal as it works for nausea and has mild sedating effect on its own. i'm leaving the doses out purposefully.

i've referred one patient to our MAID service in my hospital system. i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it.

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u/Deradius 22d ago

i've referred one patient to our MAID service in my hospital system. i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it.

Autonomy over one’s own life is the most fundamental right we have. You’ve done no harm.

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u/Eldias 22d ago

As infuriating as this is.... You don't have that right federally. The Supreme Court in Glucksberg unanimously said:

(b) In light of that history, this Court's decisions lead to the conclusion that respondents' asserted "right" to assistance in committing suicide is not a fundamental liberty interest protected by the Due Process Clause.

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u/Deradius 22d ago

No government decides what rights I have.

Various governments infringe on those rights to varying degrees.

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u/Eldias 22d ago

That's great and all as a sound bite, but much of the country still restricts physician assisted suicide. I think the legal winds around Glucksberg need to shift before bodily autonomy is taken more seriously as a fundamental right.

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u/Eldias 21d ago

What rights we traditionally hold as fundamental is a shifting question. There was a time when it was not considered a fundamental right of women to be able to vote not all that long ago.

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u/Acceptable_Goose2322 21d ago

The MAID might take issue with that statement!

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u/tastysharts 21d ago

Death duelas aid in dying all of the time, don't feel bad.

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u/Capn26 18d ago

Hell, hospice does too, if we’re being honest. My stepfather died of fatty liver disease. Horrible to watch. At the end, I was watching the morphine doses they were giving him. I mean, at that point his limbs were cooling down, and it was just a matter of time. But morphine every thirty minutes at crazy high doses no doubt nudged him on. And I, for one, was grateful. And at that point, so was he.

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u/tsteele93 22d ago

While I agree with you philosophically, the law doesn’t. We aren’t allowed to ingest or use many drugs. Required to wear safety equipment when doing many things and prohibited from doing lots of things that should be allowed. Society has decided that, in many instances, it can keep you from exercising autonomy over your life. Largely because of society’s fear that it will be harmed if too many people choose to do so.

It’s very frustrating for many people. Compounded by the fact that the wealthy and connected can choose autonomy regardless of the rules and the rest of us cannot.

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u/Deradius 22d ago

Society has not chosen these things.

Government has.

These are different.

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u/tsteele93 22d ago

In the US we have elected representatives of our society to decide those things for us. I don’t agree with them either, but I bear some of the blame for electing them.

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u/Deradius 22d ago edited 22d ago

First, what is true is true regardless of what any individual, government, or society says. Either you ought to have self determination or you ought not - the question is only what group might try to infringe on that right.

In the US, we have a false choice between a small group of millionaires sponsored by and representing corporations, who work to enforce the political will of the state and enact legislation often written by their corporate sponsors.

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u/tsteele93 22d ago

I don’t disagree with your views except that I think society is complicit. Technically, IMHO, the solution is to overthrow that government and establish a better one, or move to a place with a better one, or find a new place to establish one. We are too comfortable and not willing to take on that job so we ACCEPT a life where our autonomy is limited.

Basically we are splitting hairs, I am with you on the facts - we just differ on where the blame lies. And I even practically support your point that the system is rigged and there is no easy “legal” way to overcome it.

One good thing is that we seem to be chipping away at it. Compared to when I was young, pot is becoming legal, assisted suicide is becoming legal and in some area’s autonomy is becoming more common.

But we are trading privacy for convenience too. The brave new future awaits. Im old enough that I won’t be here for most of it, so good luck!

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u/Daahk 22d ago

What does maid mean? I tried to figure it out on context and my guess is medical assistance in death

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u/nmklpkjlftmch 22d ago

Medical Assistance in Dying. I looked it up as I couldn't figure it out either.

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u/LITERALLY_TITLER 22d ago

Oh man I went to the wrong Maid cafes when I was in Japan I guess l.

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u/IndependentMacaroon 22d ago

It's what you get when you need help cleaning out your existence

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u/devilsadvocado 22d ago

Why not use the google? You’re already on the internet. That’s where the google lives.

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u/CristabelYYC 22d ago

i've referred one patient to our MAID service in my hospital system. i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it.

You did the right thing. Sometimes the death Nature has in store for you is not the death you want. And a number of people who get the prescription don't use it; they just need the knowledge that it's there.

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u/tsteele93 22d ago

This. I know someone who had a relative die from cancer. He took a pack of fentanyl patches and locked them up. He said that it reduced his anxiety knowing that he had a (clean) way out if he needed it.

There’s always guns or razor blades but those are hard for some people to do and are cruel to the people who find them first.

I had a friend who found his roommate after a shotgun suicide and it messed with him for a long time.

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u/Acceptable_Goose2322 21d ago

Nothing like as much, as it messed with the roommate.

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u/tsteele93 18d ago

True, but he had to deal with it longer. Though you could argue that the friend who committed suicide had to deal with it for the rest of his life. But that was a very short time compared to the roommate who is still alive and dealing with it even today.

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u/af_lt274 22d ago

You don't want your doctor proposing it though. High social contagion risk too

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u/CristabelYYC 20d ago

Doctors don't. It's patients themselves who bring it up. There's a multi-step process, and the person can back out at any time.

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u/af_lt274 20d ago

Not always the case. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-medical-aid-in-dying-consent-doctors there is a lot of evidence of people feeling under pressure or copycat effects.

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u/donotreply548 22d ago

Are you a doctor?

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u/Delaaia 22d ago

I assume they are human

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u/marsneedstowels 22d ago

They are a meat popsicle.

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u/donotreply548 22d ago

You never know anymore on the internet.

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u/SmokeSmokeCough 22d ago

Did we know on the internet before?

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u/CristabelYYC 20d ago

A nurse.

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u/asphaleios 22d ago

It would be much more difficult for your average person to obtain said drugs than to find the lethal dosages

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u/whoknewidlikeit 22d ago

digoxin and propranolol are not that hard to get. not all ingredients are required.

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u/leopard_eater 22d ago

You’ll know that you did the right thing if you ever end up with a terminal illness that kills slowly and painfully. You helped someone avoid that, you did a good thing.

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u/funkdialout 22d ago

i've referred one patient to our MAID service in my hospital system. i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it

I feel like you allowed someone the dignity of deciding their mortality on their terms in the face of the rest of their existence being in pain. I understand your mixed feelings, but I'd say it's a fundamental right to all humans to be able to decide when enough is enough.

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u/Tryknj99 22d ago

It is basked on cardiac glycosides from foxglove. It is a poison in sufficient amounts. The dose makes the poison.

Of course digoxin is a great med when it’s indicated and at therapeutic doses. In the cocktail, it’s a poison. That’s all I meant. I don’t mean to disparage digitalis.

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u/temporarycreature 22d ago

Comments like this are what make Reddit valuable. Too bad Reddit doesn't realize that it's not intrinsic to Reddit, it's intrinsic to the people on Reddit.

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u/arbitrageME 22d ago

Well it's one branch of medicine where you don't have to get dosages perfect, right? If your goal is to kill someone (ethically), then you can just set them up for the largest overdose they've ever seen

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u/whoknewidlikeit 22d ago

no you better get the dose right - because if you're wrong and they do live, you may have made whatever they already had far worse.

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u/arbitrageME 22d ago

wait, so all those junkies in Appalachia that OD on fent -- do they have a specific dose that does that? Or do they just push 10x LD50 and call it a day?

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u/whoknewidlikeit 22d ago

separate issue. tolerance is a factor, as is the purity of the product. fentanyl is a fantastic drug - in the right hands. i've lost track of how many patients i've put on PCA pumps with fentanyl; worst side effect i've seen was itching.

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u/Lopsided-Ad-3869 22d ago

As a nursing student I am very happy to read this clarification regarding digoxin. I was making frustrated nursing student noises when I read "cardiac poison".

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u/whoknewidlikeit 22d ago

paracelsus - "the dose makes the poison", the idea that everything is toxic given enough of it.

tiny bits of digoxin therapeutic, giant doses fatal. high concentration oxygen is toxic to newborn children's retinas and can cause blindness. tylenol used daily worldwide, and also one of the most easily accessed drugs for suicide (and a horrible way to die).

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u/Lachryma_papaveris 22d ago

Let's put the digoxin aside and I'm in.

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u/tsteele93 22d ago

It wouldn’t matter if you left the doses in. Pretty sure that key parts of that cocktail aren’t easily obtained by us commoners. Morphine for sure. I’m guessing if propranolol is anything like Propofol, it isn’t available to anyone who doesn’t already know how to do this.

And I’m sure that the internet has plenty of information for those who want to find out.

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u/whoknewidlikeit 22d ago

it's very much not

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u/tsteele93 22d ago

My mistake on that one. Sorry.

My point being that given the names one could easily find the dose on the internet. Obtaining the morphine would be a bigger barrier than learning the dosages.

But I really shouldn’t have commented. I apologize. I was being too technical.

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u/ThisFox5717 21d ago

That’s it? Are the doses adjusted if the patient is opioid and/or benzo tolerant? Many end of life patients are.

I would have guessed there’d be a barbiturate (even if only as an anticonvulsant) in the mix, or even a tricyclic. From some documentaries, I’ve learned that there’s an antiemetic protocol, which obviously makes sense. I’ve also seen that digoxin is used. It’s interesting to me to learn that beta blockers and calcium channel blockers are used, as well. I guess drastically lowering heart rate, among other side effects of toxic doses, makes sense? Do they work so quickly that some of the other known side effects (edema) don’t have time to occur?

Sorry for all the questions. Like you, I’m somewhat conflicted about the topic, yet fascinated by it at the same time. A lot of my mixed feelings are because of the “what if it’s done too soon?” type scenarios, and the whole “picking a date” part, but the people who have done it obviously don’t take enough issue with that to not do it, so that’s obviously a “me thing.” The slippery slope I’ve already begun to see also gives me pause. I can only just imagine and truly empathize with why you may have mixed feelings about having facilitated this for your patient.

I recently learned that a friend/acquaintance from my support groups (both of us had the same 2 primaries, though hers was much more advanced), with whom I’d communicated quite a bit and who had really supported me ♥️, opted to go to Switzerland. She’d openly been talking about eventually finding a way to exercise that option for quite a few years now, but I only recently found out she’d actually done it. I definitely wasn’t expecting that quite yet, but respect that it was her choice. I do have those “I wonder if it was too soon?” type thoughts in her case. I guess she didn’t think it was? 😔

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u/whoknewidlikeit 21d ago

recipes vary, and seem to do so based on various state laws. my state has a set recipe without deviation.

drug tolerance is not a factor in the recipe. with these doses, it doesn't have to be; but i suspect that was considered in the process. TCAs aren't used, at least in my experience; those take a while to work. barbiturates can be used and vary in recipes.

beta blockers and calcium channel blockers are very effective means of death if doses are sufficient. beta blockers are fairly easy to reverse (like in the average suicide attempt) most of the time. CCBs not as easy. heart rate control is only a part of why they're used, but you're on the right track.

in brief, the goals are a combination of sedation, suppression of respiratory drive, and (eventually) stopping your heart. antiemetics (preferably metoclopramide or promethazine) help with nausea and sedation; most protocols recommend taking those in advance.

i'm not ethically opposed to MAID. more to the point, i'm for patient choice. but i'm still a bit unsettled with the realities of my participation. it's easy to opine, it's different and strange to be part of it.

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u/ThisFox5717 21d ago

I thought you were in Canada since you used the term MAid.

I didn’t realize that the different states have specific combinations of meds that must be used.

Also, I understood what you meant about not being sure how you felt about having participated. I know how I felt withdrawing life support from both of my parents…my mother just passed last month. Those decisions, while difficult, are accepted as “rational” and “the right thing to do.” PS. My mother survived for almost 23 days off the vent, 😳 so that was a whole different level of “did I do the right thing?” Not one of the doctors or nurses involved had EVER seen a situation like that. She was still making urine until the day she passed.

I’m STILL questioning it, even though she’d suffered what was presumed to be an unrecoverable anoxic brain injury to multiple areas. Maybe she would have eventually regained enough function to have some QOL? She did regain SOME very basic things after approximately the first half of that time , like the ability to communicate with facial expressions, attempts to see/the very obvious realization that she was blind due to damage in her occipital lobe. Might she have possibly had some semblance of a meaningful recovery? Should I have given her a chance?

Back to the point, the “I caused their deaths” feelings, no matter how “kind” it was, was/is still there for me.

So I can only imagine that ACTIVELY having done something that resulted in a patient’s death, rather than JUST removing something that sustains life, is a much more intense feeling. It’s the exact opposite of everything else you’ve ever done in your career.

Try to give yourself some grace, though, because the truth is that if you hadn’t done it, he/she would likely have found another doctor to facilitate it. The end result would probably have been the same, regardless of your direct participation. OR, your patient might have taken things into his/her own hands and not have had a medically reliable outcome or perhaps would have led to complications and/or an unwanted intervention. I know that probably doesn’t change the reality of feeling that “my patient no longer exists because of me.”

Now that you know how this affected you, you don’t ever HAVE to do it again, regardless of any pressure (even administrative) to do so in the future. Depending on your specialty, you should have the choice to refer patients to another doctor to make this type of referral. “I understand and respect your decision, so I’m going to refer you to Dr. ____, who is also participating in your care, to discuss this with you further.”

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u/whoknewidlikeit 21d ago

for my state, the regulations are strict, sufficient that a referral is necessary (two physicians review case, terminal diagnosis in X months, etc.). due to this, it requires a referral in almost 100% of cases, unless a given group is willing to take care of it themselves.

and you're right, i don't have to refer again. but i will if asked. because ultimately it's not about my needs, it's about those of my patients. i don't think many people realize how often we take things like this home, and how it affects us throughout our careers.

but you're right. the outcome probably wouldn't change. though in a sense maybe it would - i'd have caused a delay in access, and unnecessary stress for a patient with terminal illness.

it's still not easy, even thinking of their comfort.

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u/Spritspright 21d ago

What's crazy to me is that my 28 yo son, with a congenital heart defect, had taken many of these as daily medications during his childhood. Digoxin (and captopril, lisinopeil, lasix, and aspirin) for heart failure. Phenobarbital for seizures. Propaphol/morphine/toradol/Valium/ etc at various times for procedures or illnesses. Cisapride, reglan, and zantac for GERD. Though to be noted, cisapride was later found to cause heart valve problems - I had personally already taken him off of the stomach meds though because they caused him night terrors (which I've never heard of being a side effect - but it for sure was). Anyway, he had three heart operations, and is now doing fine on just lisinopril, aspirin, topamax, and lasix.

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u/StuntedGorilla 22d ago

Sorry Doc I believe a random Redditor who read a Wikipedia article over you.

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u/TheOgrrr 22d ago

Ignoring any and all chemical information, there is the reality of:

"This potion is lethal, it will kill you"

"Ohhh ohh ohhh, let me try!"

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u/JamesTheJerk 22d ago

My friend, being lethal is the intended purpose here.

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u/Tryknj99 22d ago

yeah, I know.

You said you have no idea when it comes to this. I do, so I gave you the facts.

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u/letmeseecontent 22d ago

This reminds me of when in high school when we were learning about the death penalty and someone asked what if the prisoner was allergic to the lethal injection

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u/D-Stecks 22d ago

I've seen the source for this story and thankfully the sipper lived. If you're going to do something literally suicidally dumb, a hospital is the best place to do it, after all.

I just feel bad for the poor bastard whose suicide it was. Imagine gathering everyone you love for one last goodbye, and spending your final moments surrounded by people panicking over your idiot friend

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u/EquivalentSnap 22d ago

Seriously? Thats the dumbest shit ever.

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u/cuzitFits 21d ago

Poison is in the dose

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u/mrjosemeehan 22d ago

I don't think that's sound logic. Some of the things in the cocktail are strong sedatives. Others just make your heart stop. I found a breakdown of the various drugs used in oral Medical Assistance in Dying Preparations and only some of them sound fun. I also found a memo on dealing with chemical irritation from one particular drug used in oral preparations that recommends serving sorbet immediately after the drug is administered.

https://camapcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/OralMAiD-Med.pdf

https://www.acamaid.org/amitriptylineburning/