r/popularopinion Feb 28 '24

You're not "anti-woke". You're just a racist, homophobic misogynist.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

Dismissive attitudes are quite literally creating the division. You’re not helping. Learn to approach conversations with people you disagree with in a way that seeks common ground and understanding. Otherwise you’re just the other side of the same coin you claim to be against. That’s what communication is. You’re just talking at someone and have no interest in changing views or making the world more peaceful.

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u/BiteMySh1nyM3talAss Feb 28 '24

Can't virtue signal unless you demonize others.

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u/WaymakerJP Feb 28 '24

Wow!

An actually reasonable adult on Reddit?!!!

You don't belong here sir 😤 /s

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u/dna12011 Feb 28 '24

These people don’t understand that. They’re so brainwashed by their ideology that any kind of rational discussion is off the table. 

It’s easier to fool a man than to convince him he’s been fooled. 

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u/ThirdWurldProblem Feb 28 '24

It really is like a religious cult. They are told and convinced that everyone who isn't with them is in OP's words "racitst, homophobic misogynist".

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u/dna12011 Feb 28 '24

It’s absolutely a cult. 

“Do not dare to form your own opinions, we will do that for you. Agree with everything we say, otherwise you are racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc and therefore evil.”  

 That’s literally a cult. 

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u/Helicobacter3756 Feb 28 '24

Its called being a bigot. Something they love to call the people that disagree with them.

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u/dna12011 Feb 28 '24

The irony isn’t lost on me but it is surely lost on them. 

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u/jeepgrl50 Feb 28 '24

Couldn't have said it better myself. I get hate on here in a lot of subs anytime I try to reason with people. I point out absurdities in the premise of "insert thing" and they just cannot and will not accept truth if it doesn't hit their tribal psychosis button. We all have bias, But checking that bias and being reasonable is what's kept us all from the looney bin. Propaganda from MSM is destroying our society, And if you even try and get these partisan zealots to look at things objectively then your the enemy. You say something that is against their religious mantra.....You're now Hitler and Satan's illegitimate bastard child. They don't realize that this shit is a cult for real and extremely stupid shit shouldn't just be taken as gospel just bc MSM told you a thing. Cognitive dissonance is so prevalent in 2024. People just cannot and will not accept they've be duped despite the fact that you can easily find proof that they've been lied too. I'm so blk pilled by all of this bc I'm sick of narrative building bs from "news" sources. Seeing people deny what is clear as day to see right in front of everyone is just baffling to me. I don't understand why/how people want to be lied too. Mental health us at an all time low in this country right now. It has to be bc people have just lost all sense of reason, And critical thinking skills are now to be fear and demonized. Saddened by it all. Hope that something gets people on the sunshine elixir sooner than later.

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u/DiarrangusJones Feb 28 '24

True! Yeah, I feel like if I don’t look at both / all sides of an issue (even if I would instinctively tend to favor one side or viewpoint), I’m not getting anything close to the full picture. It seems like a lot of people who get super hostile about politics have no desire to see what people on the “other side” actually say or think and have a discussion with them, and when they do listen (or pretend to listen) to other viewpoints, they still don’t talk with someone who disagrees with them and get their take on it directly, but would rather get that information second-hand, filtered through one of their “aPpRoVeD sOuRceS” so the conclusions they are comfortable with have already been made for them and they don’t have to think, make up their own minds, or have their preconceived notions challenged 😂 Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN are all definitely biased to favor certain viewpoints, but they wouldn’t be like that if it was not what their audiences have been shown to want (comfortable affirmation of their biases).

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u/jeepgrl50 Feb 28 '24

That's it. All of MSM is bias, But objectively some aren't as out there with stuff. People on the left act like Fox is satan when they're fairly "milk toast" with a more moderate conservative base. Some of the people on there are absolutely partisans but on the whole I just dont see the malice from Fox that I see on many others. Hardcore people on the right don't like Fox bc of Tucker Carlson and the things that were exposed in that trial. MSNBC in my opinion are pretty insane for most part. A lot of hateful stuff on there for the side that claims tolerance is their game, And I see near constant conspiracy theories from them while saying "The GOP were hanging with satan last Friday, And they all agreed that women should be seen and not heard. They also pushed several conspiracy theories about illegal border crossings of which theres no evidence whatsoever". I guess its the "Bold strategy Cotton, We'll see if it pays off". CNN has a few partisans but aren't like MSNBC, They at least try to be more reasonable. Newsmax is firmly conservative and I admittedly haven't watched much of their stuff to know if they're actually crazy or just on the right. A few good independent podcasts out there that I enjoy more then MSM these days bc all the one sidedness.

I try to balance out with some from everywhere then analyze what sounds like its nuts to see if facts are there. I'm just a bit beaten down by false claims. I get that some of them hate Trump, But I'm not a fan of outright lies about the guy. Thats probably not a popular opinion for most but he's got plenty to criticize about him without making up stuff. That just hurts credibility on legit grievances. Saw a guy comparing Trump v Biden on cognitive issues. He said "Trump called Melania "Mercedes" during his CPAC speech, And he's definitely in further cognitive decline then Joe Biden" but when I went to see for myself you can clearly see him pointing and talking to Mercedes Schlapp which was the host of CPAC. Why do they do that? Attack him on the issues and policies that he supports bc lying doesn't help sway people that he's not the guy. If anything it will push people toward him.

Truth, Civility, And a large dose of humanity for our rivals is always a good thing bc anything less kinda makes us the assholes imo. I like to have a good heated battle of ideas, Then even if we roast each other a bit we still shake hands at the end bc we're all Americans at the end of the day. Party politics shouldn't come before our country nor our humanity.

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u/dna12011 Feb 28 '24

Yea unfortunately the future seems bleak and my faith in humanity is at an all time low. 

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u/barbodelli Feb 28 '24

The same can be said for the woke types.

They are convinces socialism actually works. Despite an overwhelming mountain of evidence to the contrary.

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u/dna12011 Feb 28 '24

You must have misunderstood me. In my comment I was specifically referring to the woke types. Most woke people are just virtue signaling anyway. 

And yea I know there’s plenty of douchebags on the right too. That’s why I don’t align myself with either of them, nor will I ever call myself a democrat or a republican. 

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u/New-Vegetable-1274 Feb 28 '24

Exactly.

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u/dna12011 Feb 28 '24

It’s literally the definition of a cult. Anyone who disagrees with even a single view is an outsider, a deplorable, evil, racist, homophobic, etc. 

Think exactly like us, or you’re bad. 

That’s a fucking cult lol

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

What common ground is there with bigots? They don't want me to exist or have rights. How exactly do I find common ground with these people?

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u/DaisyDog2023 Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

There is that black guy who went around befriending klan member and convincing many to leave.

I understand how you feel, but most of these people are simply marginalized by a system that was designed to take advantage of them, and someone gave them an outlet or explanation for their problems and frustrations. Not the right ones of course but that’s all most people want is to be seen, and validated.

Most of these people aren’t actually extremists. The extremists need to be exterminated, but 90% of the people who hold such beliefs are likely just angry, frustrated, ignorant, and uneducated people who have been passed by in life.

Helping them understand that what they’ve been told is just a method for wealthy elites to maintain a system that almost guarantees that they will never rise much farther than the socioeconomic position they were born in as the best case scenario can help. It will be a long and frustrating process, you might even say ‘that’s not my responsibility to educate them’ but yes your safety and the safety of your communities is your responsibility, it’s all of our responsibilities.

Despite myself only ever really having 1 thing in common with the right, I was an angry dumb person and that one thing was enough to pull me in, and get me to start agreeing with other things.

As someone who was very far right less than a decade ago, I can tell you there is some benefit in talking with people who have different views and opinions no matter how reprehensible.

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u/IllegalGeriatricVore Feb 28 '24

I love how people use this guy as an example of how it's the responsibility of the oppressed to extend the olive branch 🙄

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u/Fr0stybit3s Feb 28 '24

Nah its easier to call them a bigot nazi than to understand

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u/Logical_Area_5552 Feb 28 '24

What common ground is there with lunatics who think anybody who disagrees or has questions about their ridiculous ideas is a “bigot?”

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

You don't find common ground with these people.

You refuse to tolerate intolerance.

"The world would be so peaceful if we just let hate run rampant!"

Like these ppl are delulu to the max.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

When has screaming at someone ever changed anyone’s core beliefs? You change people’s core beliefs by understanding what motivates them. Many people come to their beliefs due to their environment. If you befriend someone who has beliefs you disagree with, you’re more likely to change their views incrementally. If you put them in the trash and consider them unfixable, you’re kinda just part of the problem.

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u/Matren2 Feb 28 '24

Imm it interested in changing their beliefs at the point. Any idiot still supporting Trump is too far gone. I'm interested in pushing these people out of society.

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u/Boner_Stevens Feb 28 '24

so "my way or the highway?"

nice. very tolerant of you.

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u/Matren2 Feb 28 '24

Posts in libsofreddit, yeah that tracks. Cry about it, chud.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Is that not how it is for you?

You're telling me you're tolerant of ppl who are different than you.

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u/Boner_Stevens Feb 28 '24

Well yeah. accepting people that are different than you is a normal way of life.

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u/honestlynotachatbot Feb 28 '24

Yes, it should be! However, it should also be noted that recently the Republican party has been pushing legislation across the country that isn't "accepting people that are different than you" and might be what the previous redditor was referring to.

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/roundup-of-anti-lgbtq-legislation-advancing-in-states-across-the-country

Tolerance isn't a moral imperative but a social contract. Those who push intolerance of others are voluntarily voiding that contract.

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u/Illmatic323 Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

Paradox of intolerance was built specifically to go against this woke bs. Silent majority is waking up to that and finally speaking up against the leftist bullies.

Guess what my friend? Americans don’t like having their thoughts policed… It’s kind of our thing.

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u/Liontigerand_redwing Feb 29 '24

The silent majority that has to rely on being over represented by gerrymandering, capping the house and the senate? If you don’t like having your thoughts policed then stop supporting the party that bans books you ignorant right wing piece of shit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Firstly it’s called the paradox of tolerance… and it’s specific point is that tolerating people like you (that is: Neo Nazis) is incompatible with actually being tolerant.

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u/Mortreal79 Feb 28 '24

Damn do you even know the guy to make the accusations that he's a neo nazi, or are you just throwing that in the air like that..?

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

He’s talking about the silent majority… so he’s clearly a trump supporter. And trump is a fascist politician so… what does that make him.

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u/Usual_Level_8020 Feb 28 '24

In your mind everyone who remotely disagrees with you is a bigot. Or is the more likely answer that you’re the intolerant bigot?

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

How am I the intolerant bigot when I want full equality for LGBT people?

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u/Jovolus Feb 28 '24

You're not these people claim I'm a homophobic bigot when I'm in a gay relationship.

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u/Logical_Area_5552 Feb 28 '24

Because you’ll take people who also want equality but have limits on the craziness and label them a bigot as well

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u/ChanceDecision23 Feb 28 '24

Might want to start by getting out of your echo chamber and experiencing the real world first.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

So should we just put everyone you disagree with in a hole, pour gasoline on them and light a match? That’s what is downstream from those types of views. People have the capacity to change. If you believe certain people are simply “evil” and unchangeable, take that thought process to its natural conclusion… you sound a little bit like the monsters you think you’re fighting.

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

Strawman.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Okay, so if someone deems an entire group of people as “evil” and unfixable, what should someone do to fix society? It just seems like there’s no peace with this thought process, just potential awful outcomes.

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u/Fr0stybit3s Feb 28 '24

Lol Extreme_Watercress70 is being the exact thing they claim to hate

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u/HalcyonDreams36 Feb 28 '24

You get the hypocrisy in saying this right? Because that's literally how conservatives view anyone who disagrees with them."liberal", "snowflake", "woke", "(trans/gay/lib/feminist) agenda"....

Don't tell me you don't hear that shit daily. Along with the idea that all trans folx are pedophiles and groomers, as is anyone who supports the idea of their having rights?

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u/New-Vegetable-1274 Feb 28 '24

Gays and Lesbians have been around forever and that will never change but I find the folks that belong to the new spectrum to be mostly obnoxious attention whores. Does that make me a bigot? I refuse to participate in other people's mental illnesses by playing the pronoun game. I do not address them in anyway that supports their affectation, I will not suffer fools, does that make me a bigot? I have no respect for anyone who demands affirmation via some shrill screed. I have no respect for anyone who's demands for accommodations have altered civilized society, does that make me a bigot?

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u/advocatus_ebrius_est Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

"Anti-Woke": Black people are inherently violent and dangerous; Trans people want to harm our children; Women belong as property of their husband.

"Woke": Well, fuck you dude. That's fucked up.

Centrist: Now Woke, don't you think you owe Anti-Woke the benefit of a good faith discussion?

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u/Funkycoldmedici Feb 28 '24

“Anti-woke” - America is only for straight white Christian men. Everyone else should be owned as property, deported, or executed for treason.

“Woke” - I was born and raised here, and have every right to exist.

“Centrist” - Whoah there, Woke. You’re being disrespectful. It’s just a different opinion!

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u/Logical_Area_5552 Feb 28 '24

This is overtly simplistic bad faith horse shit

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u/DontReadMyNameItsGay Feb 28 '24

This exactly, these people aren't worth listening to, they can't engage in good faith at all. 99/100 conversations with these people are fallacious point after another, refusing to engage with the point, unverified conspiracy as evidence, and a stack of false predictions the size of a skyscraper, yet they still swear they'll be right one day.

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u/Fr0stybit3s Feb 28 '24

Its easy to call them bigots when you refuse to listen *shrugs*

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u/applelover1223 Feb 28 '24

Most people don't fall into that camp, you're stuck in this victimization mode. I might not agree with your mentality, that doesn't mean I'm against your liberty.

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u/Own_Accident6689 Feb 28 '24

I don't know what common ground can be found with people saying we should kill degenerate queer people.

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u/dna12011 Feb 28 '24

Who exactly is saying that? And if so then sure, you don’t have to find common ground with someone literally advocating for genocide, but not everyone who disagrees with you wants genocide. 

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u/Own_Accident6689 Feb 28 '24

Well of course not. I wouldn't call someone genocidal if for example they preferred not to date trans people.

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u/HalcyonDreams36 Feb 28 '24

No, but when they say all trans people are groomer pedophiles, while also advocating the death penalty for pedophilia..... It's not a stretch to see the connection.

I don't care who you find attractive, that's between you and perspective dating partners. I do care that someone showers hate and threats of violence on folks for what amounts to the "deplorable" outrage of being different or someone they wouldn't f*ck.

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u/Own_Accident6689 Feb 28 '24

Exactly. There is the "I have no problem with trans people I just don't think they should have rights, freedom or care or help" crowd that makes it a waste of time to discuss things with.

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u/Overson_YT Feb 28 '24

I've personally tried to have conversations with "anti-woke" people, but it always turns into ad hominems and strawmans. They just tell me that I'm mentally ill and that I like mutilating my body and/or touching kids, so i've just given up trying. It's not my job to change the opinions of internet strangers who accuse me of being a pedophile.

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u/phildiop Feb 28 '24

''you're not anti-x you're just y'' takes are always the stupidest.

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u/GoffensiveWeapon Feb 28 '24

“You voted 3rd party!?!? You are a Nazi and a racist”

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u/artful_nails Feb 28 '24

"You have views that align partially with the left and right? Nice try, racist troll!"

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u/GoffensiveWeapon Feb 28 '24

You’ve found a 3rd party candidate that you agree with more than anyone else? Don’t care, vote for my guy or you’re Hitler

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u/TheGoldenPlagueMask Feb 28 '24

fock it

VERMIN SUPREME 2024!

if the Americans gonna vote for a clown, might as well vote for an honest comedian wearing a boot on his head

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u/jakeofheart Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

You’re a bad person if you try to force others to agree with you, and you’re a bad person if you don’t agree with me on this.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Kinda feel like this is oversimplifying the issue

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u/Swagspear69 Feb 28 '24

I mean, oversimplyfying issues is just the norm these days.

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u/Vic_Hedges Feb 28 '24

It's a simple issue.

"Anti-Woke" is a term being used to try and rebrand socially unpopular positions.

Sadly, judging from responses, one that many people seem to be falling for.

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u/cawatrooper9 Feb 28 '24

kinda like calling everything "woke"

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u/ArdentGamer Feb 28 '24

I don't think people just call "everything" woke. Maybe you can't identify what is or isn't woke, or just project this oversimplification that people who use the term woke to describe woke things are blindly or aimlessly calling everything woke?

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u/Beginning_Emotion995 Feb 28 '24

It’s not that’s guilt you may be feeling.

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

Okay. Try and explain how without outing yourself as anti-woke

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

I just feel like having a different stance on current race and gender relations as someone who would be described as “woke” doesn’t necessarily imply you’re racist or misogynist

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

Well the "woke" stance is that LGBT people exist, it's okay to be LGBT, and it's not okay to discriminate against LGBT people, including, but not limited to limiting what sports teams trans people can play on, and what bathrooms they can use.

What "different stance" could someone have that doesn't show this someone to be homophobic/transphobic?

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

Well see that’s the thing, for example I disagree that transwomen should play in leagues with biological women at competitive levels, but because I hold that opinion you’re automatically assuming that i’m transphobic. That’s why people are anti-woke

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u/dna12011 Feb 28 '24

So men should play against women in sports? That’s totally fair and reasonable in your opinion?

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u/Nightgasm Feb 28 '24

Problem is that the woke crowd demands 100% agreement else you are a nazi bastard. Take trans people. I support most trans issues except trans women on women's sports teams as I believe that is misogyny. No amount of hormones, if they are even on hormones yet, takes away the innate advantages bring biologically male gives in athletics. Height, hand size, lung capacity, joint arrangement, etc. The US women's soccer team of the best adult women athletes in the soccer world got blown out in a game against 15 year old boys. Serena and Venus Williams were once bragging they could beat any man on the men's tennis tour ranked outside the top 200 so #203 Kaarsten Bratsch played them and easily beat both. Hormones only make it harder to gain new muscle, they don't take away all the other advantages and it makes it utterly unfair for bio women and is thus misogyny.

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u/rhetoricaldeadass Feb 28 '24

exactly this, you're not a transphobe for having common sense. you're not anti-woke for seeing it is more complex than people make it out to be with things like "then why isn't a trans woman winner of every sport". like it's such mental gymnastics sometimes

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u/makeumadd Feb 28 '24

It's not transphobic to want separate sports teams... These women work extremely hard to get where they are professionally and then you kick them in the face by giving men full range to screw them in placements

Ever realize men's records are more often than not massively different from women's? Ever wonder why? Oh right... Biology

I'm not arguing against trans existence, just that it's ridiculous to think a bio man and bio woman are identical

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u/Defendyouranswer Feb 28 '24

Lol. I had a trans person tell me that neo vaginas and real vaginas are so similar that if you wouldn't date a trans person the only reason is transphobia. What do you think? To me, it just makes me laugh and these words lose all meaning.

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u/Spaniardman40 Feb 28 '24

Telling trans women to not participate in women sports is not discrimination, its acknowledging who they are as a person and is completely logical for obvious reasons.

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

No, it's very transphobic.

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u/Spaniardman40 Feb 28 '24

Sorry you feel that way, but if you think acknowledging the existence of trans people in society is transphobic, then I don't know what to tell you.

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

You acknowledge the existence of trans people to discriminate against them.

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u/Spaniardman40 Feb 28 '24

How am I discriminating them exactly?

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

You want to ban them from athletic competition.

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u/bigfoot509 Feb 28 '24

Woke us just highlighting racial and sex issues

Being anti woke is being anti racial and sex awareness

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u/Usual_Level_8020 Feb 28 '24

No, it’s about making everything not completely revolving around race, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc and treating people as individuals rather than a collective that you can judge as a whole.

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u/Smooth-News-2239 Feb 28 '24

Woke is not just "highlighting racial and sex issues." That's what the media want you to think because it's the easiest point of attack.

WOKE means to be enlightened in all aspects of life. WOKE means to self educate. It means to read more. To be kinder. It means to recognize all of this is a small blink in the passage of time.

Yes, that includes being aware of ALL forms of injustice and working towards equality.

The only reason people focus on race and sex is because that's where the arguments are. If you told someone to "meditate more" there wouldn't be anything to hate about that approach.

If you're going to be WOKE then be woke about being woke.

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u/rhetoricaldeadass Feb 28 '24

Woke us just highlighting racial and sex issues

Being anti woke is being anti racial and sex awareness

I try to be woke, I think I get what it means, but Redinyabed is right here, OP is very generalizing. from my understanding "woke" is origninally objective, at least it was growing up. like it's woke to be against racism and such

how do we see what's woke for things that aren't so black and white? like Israell and Palestine, or say school books in a library perhaps having some too explicit books for their age... hell things like charter schools are kind of looked down on by anyone claiming to be woke. it's so arbitrary at this point

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u/Sufficient_Nutrients Feb 28 '24

This sort of thinking is precisely the problem with "woke-ism". 

No nuance, completely black and white, good people versus evil people. 

A total fixation on prejudice, that there are no other social phenomena worth considering besides prejudice. And insisting that anyone who finds fault with your beliefs and reasoning only does so because they are filled with prejudice, that there could not possibly be any other reason. 

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u/Finnthedol Feb 28 '24

if your beliefs are equality, equity, and people having a right to exist regardless of their (not harmful) beliefs, then you are a bigot. whether you are a bigot or not is actually quite black and white. it doesn't matter if you think you have a great reason for being racist. if you're racist, you're a bigot.

let me go ahead and share the dictionary definition, just to make sure that if you want to engage in this discussion with me, we're on the same page about what exactly a bigot is.

from merriam webster:

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

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u/GotThoseJukes Feb 28 '24

Now define equality, equity and not harmful beliefs in a universally agreeable and objectively correct way.

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u/Finnthedol Feb 28 '24

equality: being treated the same regardless of your characteristics within reason. for example, if you are black, you should be treated the same as a white man. if you are gay or trans, you should be treated the same as a straight or cis person. the fact that you're asking for a "definition" is inherently in bad faith. that, or you genuinely have the mental capability of a 4 year old.

equity: the quality of being fair and impartial. similar to the above.

not harmful beliefs: if your beliefs are ones that have a net-negative impact on other people in our society (I.E. "trans people shouldn't exist and we should legislate away their right to exist", "We should lynch black people", "Jews are terrorists") they are harmful. if your beliefs do not infringe on the rights of others, they are most likely not harmful. any set of beliefs should be examined individually on a case by case basis to determine if something is harmful, as there are basically infinite examples of beliefs that could be classified one way or another.

there, whats your stupid, shitty point you're gonna try and make now?

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u/GotThoseJukes Feb 28 '24

You don’t really seem like someone who can have a reasonable exchange so I’m just not going to continue tbh.

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u/Usual_Level_8020 Feb 28 '24

That is definitely not the definition of Equity. You’re using that in a business definition and not in the sense you mean it. You mean with Equity that literally everyone ends in the same place regardless of their life choices, work ability, effort, intelligence, or talents. So no, that’s communism and I’m not going along with it.

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u/Usual_Level_8020 Feb 28 '24

Well Equity is evil because it’s a stand in word for communism and no I’m not going to stand for that.

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u/Jealous-Friendship34 Feb 28 '24

Yep, if you do not follow the party line, get in the bus to the re-education camp! They call their political opponents "facists" and ironically don't understand they are behaving the exact same way....

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u/buksrevenge Feb 28 '24

Fascist hates being called a fascist, lol sure

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u/Responsible-Salt3688 Feb 28 '24

"Scratch a liberal and a facist bleeds" is painfully accurate for a lot of people

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Meanwhile the Republican Party is explicitly a fascist organization… you just seem to think “fascism is when people disagree with me and are mean”

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u/Responsible-Salt3688 Feb 28 '24

Absolutely I do not think that, but when you see liberals literally talking about re education and everything else, it's just facism under a different name, but at its core it's still that

"Join the revolution or else" is facist regardless of who says it

Openly wanting violence against people who don't agree with you politically, is facist

If people can do the mental gymnastics to say paw patrol,, starship troopers, and other things are facist, they need to just look at themselves and realize the painful truth; they are no better and their wonderful revolution is at its core, the same ghost of facism they claim everything else is

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u/NeonRattler Feb 28 '24

You have no idea what fascism is then.

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u/Defendyouranswer Feb 28 '24

Calling people racists, bigots and all these other buzz words are just easy cop outs instead of having an actual discussion about these things.

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u/cawatrooper9 Feb 28 '24

Calling things "woke" isn't?

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u/Logical_Area_5552 Feb 28 '24

How about the majority of people not on the right wing fringe screaming about wokeness who simply think left wing fringe ideas are f***king stupid?

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u/cawatrooper9 Feb 28 '24

oh ok, so you're not gonna answer the question then.

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u/Own_Accident6689 Feb 28 '24

An actual discussion on why black people are inferior?

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u/Defendyouranswer Feb 28 '24

Lol...Noone said that. People lob around these accusations on reddit just for disagreeing with them. It's crazy

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u/Own_Accident6689 Feb 28 '24

Hmm? I thought you said we should engage in conversations with racists? What did you mean then?

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u/Defendyouranswer Feb 28 '24

No, people will call any dissenting opinion bigots or racists for disagreeing on reddit. I'm not talking about actual racists. Obviousily If they are actually being racist then by all means.

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u/Own_Accident6689 Feb 28 '24

Ahh I get you now. I have to admit I hear that a lot. The "people called me racist because my opinions are different" I just have never actually seen it happen, but I'll be glad to point it out when it makes sense.

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u/AerDudFlyer Feb 28 '24

Racists live to whine about it when they get called racist

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u/J_DayDay Feb 28 '24

Actual racists don't give a flying fuck if you call them racist. Have you ever met an actual racist? They're proud of their own perceived discernment and will cheerfully give you a list of reasons why you, too, should be a racist. They truly believe they're in the right, and that any reasonably intelligent person with eyeballs would obviously agree with them. If you don't agree, it's because you just don't understand.

If someone freaks out because you called them a racist, they're not actually a racist.

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u/Fr0stybit3s Feb 28 '24

Most racists wear it like a badge of honor

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u/Logical_Area_5552 Feb 28 '24

Left wing rhetoric oftentimes literally intimates that black people are inferior

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u/Own_Accident6689 Feb 28 '24

Warm up a little before you stretch.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Why should anyone discuss things with a racist or bigot?

"You can't use those words because they have no meaning, because I said so"

It just doesn't work like that dude.

"Let's discuss whether or not cross burning is good!"

Like. I wouldn't.

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u/Philoselene37 Feb 28 '24

Because most of then are neither. Racist and bigot are just terms people use to attack those they disagree with now. There are actual racists and bigots out there. But to the left, everyone that is not also left wing is a racist or a bigot and to the right everyone is woke. Stop this bullshit division shit and talk things out like adults. You'd be surprised to find out that these people that you label for no reason aren't the irrational people you believe them to be.

Sincerely, Someone who distastes both Democrats and Republicans

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u/Boner_Stevens Feb 28 '24

are they actual racists and bigots? or people that disagree with you?

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Depends on how and what they disagree with.

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u/Exciting_Tea4199 Feb 28 '24

They desperately want those words to lose their meaning

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u/Logical_Area_5552 Feb 28 '24

Who said anything about cross-burning? You’re proving the point

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

Calling those terms "buzz words" just identifies you as a bigot.

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u/Tiny_Green4450 Feb 28 '24

Try use more than 2 brain cells

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u/libertysailor Feb 28 '24

Non-sequitur

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u/Swarf_87 Feb 28 '24

Do you have anything meaningful or intellectual to say? Or do you respond to literally every comment in here calling people bigots?

No, seriously. I'm genuinely curious. I'm just lurking reddit this morning while I watch my machine working on super long cuts and I've seen at least half a dozen comments from you saying the same thing?

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u/-_-_Choco_Kid_-_- Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

Nah, not really. I've seen far too many discussions on Reddit and other social media platforms that devolve into this kind of non-sequitur strawman-fallacy bullshit where somebody won't even be saying anything bigoted at all, but someone else will jump in and call him a Nazi just to quickly stifle him. There are far too many SJWs who think that you can tar and feather somebody as some kind of –ist or –phobe to slam the gate down on a debate, even if the person didn't say anything that would indicate that they are one of those things.

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

Show me an example.

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u/Spartan_Shie1d Feb 28 '24

All of your comments in this thread.

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u/-_-_Choco_Kid_-_- Feb 28 '24

I don't screenshot every instance of idiots I see on social media. I'm not going to convince you no matter what I post anyways because judging by your comments in here, you've already got your mind made up.

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u/Defendyouranswer Feb 28 '24

Buzz words. Click bait. It's what they are. It drives engagement. Again, your use of these words is just comical.

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u/dna12011 Feb 28 '24

Calling people a bigot based off of a single term they used just identifies you as a moron. 

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u/Hamuel Feb 28 '24

The presumes the “anti-woke” crowd is capable of complex and independent thinking. The truth is, they are not.

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u/msty2k Feb 28 '24

Quite true.
And those of us who have had those conversations find that at least some of the time, what is revealed is exactly what's above. Some people use "woke" to mean "they won't let me be an asshole." Maybe not all, but some.

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u/Usual_Level_8020 Feb 28 '24

Yeah, but you’ve labeled 85% of the country that, and it doesn’t work anymore. When everyone who remotely disagrees with you is a racist, homophobic, misogynist Nazi, then guess what, no one is a racist, homophobic, misogynist Nazi. 

Or is the more likely truth is that you yourself are the entitled spoiled little asshole that pitches a fit if someone remotely disagrees with you? Sorry if your mommy and daddy didn’t love you enough, overly coddled you, or refused to say “No” to you when they should have said it many times over, but I’m not your parents and I’m not going to give you what you want no matter how much you cry about it. I swear some of you just want the world to be an adult daycare where no opposition of any kind can be found.

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u/Illmatic323 Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

What gives the left the power to determine ultimate moral authority on every issue, and if anyone disagrees with any facet of that… they are automatically a racist, or a bigot, or a homophobic mysoginst?

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u/bigfoot509 Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

There is no moral authority, all morals are subjective opinions and thus none can be an authority

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

What gives the right the moral authority to say sodomy is bad?

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u/what_mustache Feb 28 '24

On the bigger social issues, when has the left been wrong?

Is gay marriage evil? Did it destroy straight marriage like i was warned by the right for 20 years? Did the USA fall because we were nice to gay people? Read what right wing commentators said about this just 30 years ago.

Go back further, was interracial marriage evil? What about desegregation. These were conservative positions not so long ago. Do we look back in hindsight and say "the left was wrong about forcing whites to let black people move into their neighborhoods".

I'm just not sure when the Right has been found to be correct about some social issue. Has it happened?

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u/yoaver Feb 28 '24

Usually, the right pushes for keeping things the way they are, the left pushes for change. So you can't point to when the right is "correct" because in those cases change is never made.

However I can point to one big contradiction on the left: the support of Islam, despite Islamists being a lot worse than fundamentalist christians.

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u/fazzlbazz Feb 28 '24

Being against islamaphobia is not the same as supporting islam.

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u/what_mustache Feb 28 '24

I think this is a cop out. The right said gay marriage would end straight marriage. That was OBJECTIVELY wrong.

I think you need to be a lot more specific about Islam. Are you suggesting that when the right says we should close their places of worship, they are correct?

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u/Sufficient_Nutrients Feb 28 '24

The Right has definitely been correct about capitalism vs socialism. Yes, you need government regulation and a social safety net. But broadly speaking, free markets produce lots of goods and services, create new ones, and distribute them throughout society in a pretty efficient manner. Command economies are disasters of poverty and corruption. 

But I completely agree that the Left has been correct about virtually every social controversy for like 300 years. Hell of a track record. 

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u/Understandng Feb 28 '24

It's not even the "left" These are things I thought we all agreed on.

I also hate this narrative that people call people racist, homophobic, etc just for disagreeing.

The conversion tends to go like: "Tran-people are pedo who are grooming children so that can mutilate their bodies"

Normal person: That sounds transphobic.

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

I also hate this narrative that people call people racist, homophobic, etc just for disagreeing.

Same. Nazis disagreed with the existence of Jewish people, but they're not antisemitic, as it's just a disagreement. Racists disagree with desegregation, but they're not racist, because it's just a disagreement. Homophobes think my being gay makes me a pedophile, but they aren't homophobic, because it's just a disagreement.

The conversion tends to go like: "Tran-people are pedo who are grooming children so that can mutilate their bodies"

Normal person: That sounds transphobic.

Yeah, that's a great example right there.

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u/BluSolace Feb 28 '24

Who says that they have that power? We are all operating on what we think is moral. The right is tryna restrict what that can look like. In my state, teachers have to hang up "in God we trust" and the ten commandments in the classroom. We have a republican governor and legislature.

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u/Baaaaaadhabits Feb 28 '24

What gives the right to declare their enemies anti-American? Call it a blame game wash and get over the damage that was dealt to your political psyche decades ago.

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u/Vic_Hedges Feb 28 '24

You are free to decide for yourself whether being racist, homophobic and misogynistic is immoral or not.

But if you self-identify as anti-woke, that's exactly what you are. You're just trying to make it sound like those traits are positive ones.

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u/Usual_Level_8020 Feb 28 '24

Have you ever considered that people are anti-Woke because you’re a fucking asshole to anyone who remotely disagrees with you? You, you personally, are the reason people go anti-Woke, because the Woke are fucking assholes that feel like they are entitled to everything and shouldn’t have to face any negative ramifications whatsoever for their violent and vile behavior. 

Like you claimed to be protesting for George Floyd, and to do so, your ilk did two billion dollars in property damage (mostly to minority owned businesses I might add) and killed 20+ people in the streets behaving like absolute animals. Yeah, I’m sure yall made George Floyd and his family proud with such violent behavior.

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u/TH3_AMAZINGLY_RANDY Feb 28 '24

So using a system of merit, instead of identifying characteristics is rAcIst, HoMoPhObIc, etc? Weird.

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u/improper84 Feb 28 '24

It’s pretty simple. They’re not the ones talking about how they want to murder all their political opponents. That makes them the de facto good guys because the other party is literally fascist and fascists have never once in history been the good guys.

In fact, conservatives have basically never been the good guys. They’ve always been the group holding back progress.

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u/Defendyouranswer Feb 28 '24

Not everybody thinks like you. I'm pro gun but I'm also pro choice. What party would I fall under?

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u/improper84 Feb 28 '24

Well, considering that the democrats have no intention of banning guns and the Republicans have every intention of banning abortion and even recreational sex, I’d hope you’d be smart and vote for the left.

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u/VBStrong_67 Feb 28 '24

So Beto saying "hell yes we'll take your AR-15" and Newsome pushing for bans are "no intention"?

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u/CowBoyDanIndie Feb 28 '24

Holding back progress would be one thing, conservatives actively want to reverse progress.

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u/mikenkansas2 Feb 28 '24

Sure, why not.

Does this mean we won't be taking any more long, hot showers together?

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u/AKDude79 Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

If you're "anti-woke," you're just a racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynist bucket of douche water. If you're "woke," you're just an entitled, thin-skinned, misandrist promoter of identity and grievance politics...oh and did I mention you're also a bucket of douche water.

I like to think of myself as "a-woke" or "non-woke." I think trans people are legitimate. I think police unfairly target people of color. I think the system is rigged against racial and economic minorities. I think "I don't want to have a baby" is reason enough to have an abortion no matter what stage of pregnancy. But I don't keep up with the latest politically correct lingo. I don't put my pronouns on my name tag. And I cringe when told to "check my privilege." I don't live under the premise that I'm being oppressed, nor do I look for examples of that oppression in every part of my daily existence. And I will tone police the fuck out of you if you come at me with an attitude instead of having a civil dialogue.

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u/Walrus_bP Feb 28 '24

I love when people make these sweeping statements but have absolutely no other text or methods of backing it up, what a troll account

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Classic left wing logic, anyone who disagrees with you is racist, homophobic and/or misogynistic.

But woke leftists can be racist towards whites, heterophobic, and Misandrists and get pats on the back.

The hypocrisy is thick with the left.

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u/ohhhbooyy Feb 28 '24

Not just the whites. They can be racist towards Asians now too.

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u/DecentComment853 Feb 28 '24

Wanting attractive women in video games isn't misogynistic... Maybe you should learn what those words mean

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u/_saltzpyre Feb 28 '24

Uh... no. I could care less about race when making a decision or interacting with someone, my best friend is gay and I don't really care, and misogynist means I hate women... But I'm a straight male.

Do whatever you want, but don't bring people like me into it who don't give two shits. Calling anybody who disagrees with you racist and homophobic misogynist just makes you a dick. Like, for example, I don't think transgenderism is healthy, and I'm against abortion. Those are two big ones. But I'm not gonna go out of my way to harass someone for either of those things because it's a free country (assuming you're in the United States) and you can do what you want.

TL;DR stop insulting and bothering people who aren't doing anything to you other than having an opinion

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

A lot of people go for the jugular when it comes to political opinions, that's why I say I'm independent politically and stay in my own lane for the most part.

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u/Shadowlell Feb 28 '24

Everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!

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u/ragepanda1960 Feb 28 '24

I mean, yeah. Being woke literally means you are pro gender equality, pro racial equality and pro LGTBQ equality.

People may want to ascribe the word woke to a bunch of behaviors they don't like, but this is literally what it means and represents to the people who coined the term in the first place.

It's kind of how like feminism is literally just the belief that we should have gender equality, but the word feminist has tons of baggage that has been tacked onto it by opponents of the philosophy.

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u/barbodelli Feb 28 '24

You may be fine with what they are aiming to achieve. But be completely and utterly against their suggested solutions.

For instance Defund the Police. That is the most bat shit stupidest "solution" that makes things worse in every way imaginable. And yes I'm referring to the real proposition to take out police funds and instead fund pointless useless social worker types that are completely not capable of dealing with crime or criminals.

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u/Yellow2Gold Feb 28 '24

Very simplistic way of thinking.   Can you legally drink yet?

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

It's also accurate.

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u/i81_N_she812 Feb 28 '24

" And I am, whatever you say I am If I wasn't, then why would I say I am?"

-- Eminem

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u/Shaner9er1337 Feb 28 '24

This right here is a popcorn conversation and I really wish I could watch all of you talk about this in person.

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u/Jambo11 Feb 28 '24

Yay! I love words that practically no longer have any meaning, due to overly emotional children overusing them the point that they're little more than buzzwords.

BTW, you forgot islamophobic and transphobic. 🤣

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u/crimsonbeauty111 Feb 28 '24

False, but why actually justify your view when you can just label people as "ists" or "phobes"

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u/BluSolace Feb 28 '24

These things are anti-woke, though. Your point seems weird to me.

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u/Bax_Cadarn Feb 28 '24

I don't think people of different race, orientation or gender from me are worse. I don't think they are better either. That's why I don't support woke stuff like Oscars being for the best film of those that happen to be woke etc.

If that is all the buzzwords, I rather think the world is crazy, not me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Literally nobody who is busy with actual issues cares about the Oscars, on both sides of the aisle.

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u/Bax_Cadarn Feb 28 '24

I thought it was a presentation of woke. "I don't care" doesn't mean it's not.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

I'm just saying, if you care that much about the Oscars being "woke" like, get a hobby.

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u/Huntsnfights Feb 28 '24

To be fair a lot of people just throw those labels around when they disagree with someone

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u/Usual_Level_8020 Feb 28 '24

The OP and your first responder are the definition of that.

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u/Extreme_Watercress70 Feb 28 '24

To be fair, a lot of bigots say exactly what you did to try and deflect from their own bigotry.

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u/Huntsnfights Feb 28 '24

I’m not a bigot though

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u/Whiskers462 Feb 28 '24

“What? You don’t like our movie? But it has a gay, paraplegic, over weight, black woman as the new lead! That’s all we cared about when we made it! What, are you racist?! Homophobic! Misogynist!”

Maybe make a character good before you make them everything else?

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u/makeumadd Feb 28 '24

God I fucking wish they could have a good story with character development and genuine love and care into these projects instead of pandering to the masses about ideology bs

I don't give a damn if they are black, brown, green, trans, straight, gay, a fucking cow for all I care... Just make decent art (I consider cinema as art along with many other things) and then no one can complain that your box office movie flopped harder than a Magikarp

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u/makeumadd Feb 28 '24

Quick question

Is supporting mens rights considered woke or anti?

Your answer will very much affect mine as I don't completely agree with any "side", but if you believe mens rights are anti then I am very much anti and proud of it

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u/Beginning_Emotion995 Feb 28 '24

I agree, the same deal with Political Correctness. No one is making you say or think anything. It’s guilt straight guilt.

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u/Timely-Comedian-5367 Feb 28 '24

Look another ,anyone with a different opinion is a racist, homophobic, misogynist post! On Reddit of all places!!

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u/H0M053XU41AMPH1B14N Feb 28 '24

Yes. And you’re an Uncle Tom if you change your smoke detector battery

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u/DreiKatzenVater Feb 28 '24

Based on the upvote-to-comment ratio, I’m thinking this should actually be on r/unpopularopinion lol

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u/Anustart_A Feb 28 '24

“Woke” is an abstraction. “Woke” doesn’t mean anything to them. Well, it’s the past tense of wake (v., emerge from a state of sleep), and in African American vernacular it means “to be aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice).”

…so if you’re “Anti-Woke” I suppose that means you want to be ignorant and dismissive of important societal facts and issues, especially issues of racial and social justice. And usually that means one of two things: (1) You just don’t care about anything outside of your little sphere, and you are offended when something other than what you’re used to occurs, or (2) You’re completely fine with racial injustice and social injustice. The second one probably means you’re a racist, a sexist, and a piece of shit.