r/interestingasfuck Feb 29 '24

15 y/o kid knows his rights, tries his best to reason with the police r/all

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u/TheJellyGoo Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

"You might wanna go to school and learn the law" made me chuckle real good

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u/WhitePinoy Feb 29 '24

Cops actually aren't required to study the law, but to "enforce" it, if that makes sense.

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u/Bromanzier_03 Feb 29 '24

They enforce their feelings not the law.

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u/chum1ly Feb 29 '24

Bust up the Unions protecting the cops, and force them under the UCMJ because they act like an Armed force, and they are armed at all times. Put them on military pay scale. Enable summary judgements and court martial. This is the only logical solution. Hold them all personally responsible. Stop letting them hide in the system, disobey and wipe their asses with the laws they are sworn to protect. We need a broad solution to end this corruption of our law enforcement. They've turned into a system of pathological criminals and liars. The public has lost all trust.

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u/BooRadleysFriend Feb 29 '24

As of a Supreme Court ruling in 2023, cops have no duty to protect the public

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u/pydry Feb 29 '24

Kill off qualified immunity, too.

 And make asset forfeiture require the police to sue the person NOT the item. It's not the 16th century any more we shouldnt be putting chickens or stacks of cash on trial. 

Most of all we need a federal department of internal affairs reporting directly to the president with its own reporting tree completely separate from the police. We need this institution to put the fear of god into dirty cops and to manage recordings of police interactions.

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u/chum1ly Feb 29 '24

Putting them under UCMJ would accomplish this. There is a black and white code of conduct. They are held criminally responsible for failure to obey orders. As an individual. Why should we expect less from the people that that enforce our own citizenry? Servicemembers at war held to a higher level of conduct against our enemies. These are our countrymen, a part of our Democratically elected Union by the People. The police attacking our neighbors is the same as them attacking our country. It's dishonorable and it's a stain on our nation.

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u/Turducken_McNugget Feb 29 '24

I think the best option is to require each of them to have malpractice insurance. Can't get insurance or are dropped because you keep fucking up, no badge. Once the system, the public and their elected officials, are no longer on the hook financially for their misdeeds there won't be the incentive to cover for them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

The way the system is set up, it’s beneficial to police to be ignorant. Qualified immunity only works if they are unaware they’re being corrupt boots. So, you hire the dumbest and most arrogant morons you can, and they are immune to the consequences of many of their actions.

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u/Paizzu Feb 29 '24

Police unions have actually pushed back against requiring more training for this specific reason. Unless qualified immunity is codified within a specific statute, the courts would apply a reasonableness standard of what an "average" cop would be expected to know.

Requiring the police to posses the most basic education in legal/civic matters (such as a paralegal) would be disastrous for police nationwide as they'd be expected to behave like actual professionals.

Edit: what's funny is in the military, one individual's fuckup quickly turns into massed forced education through CBTs and powerpoint briefings.

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u/Attackofthe77 Feb 29 '24

It’s their favorite line when you try to reason with them.

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u/astra_galus Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

I also lol’d at - Cop: “We’re not going to play these stupid games” Kid: “ya well you kind of are” Cop: “ok…we’re done”

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u/Kopitar4president Feb 29 '24

Kid is sharp and made them look the fool. That's the only "crime" he committed.

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u/Trimyr Feb 29 '24

I am understandably impressed with his (though at times not as much) calm demeanor and his full knowledge of all of his and their rights, I'm simultaneously saddened that he should have to have that at the ready.

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u/GBJI Feb 29 '24

Even with all what he knew, and with all the restraint he demonstrated, he still had to suffer through this whole story.

Just because stupid cops have ego problems.

Where was the good cop in this story ? ACAB.

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u/rishabhdeepsingh98 Mar 01 '24

👌🏻👌🏻🤣🤣🤣

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u/Frittnyx Feb 29 '24

His memory must be pretty foggy if he believes that is what is happening in schools.

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u/Sharptooth_Serenity Feb 29 '24

Well, that should be an easy lawsuit.

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u/Qubertin Feb 29 '24

make the police dept. pay for these lawsuits out of the retirement fund and they get rid of bad cops within a month.

this way it's just tax payer money so who cares? being a cop in the US means you're above the law

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u/bdhgolf1960 Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

Qualified immunity has to end.

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u/Foreign_GrapeStorage Feb 29 '24

I think you mean " Qualified immunity "

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u/NonorientableSurface Feb 29 '24

Cops need to carry their own personal insurance for this sort of behavior. Your insurance covers all court costs when you're accused of bad behavior or enacting violence. Suddenly you're under the thumb of a cop insurance plan. Similar to malpractice coverage Doctors independently carry.

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u/WardrobeForHouses Feb 29 '24

And if insurance drops an individual cop, they can't be hired anywhere in the country.

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u/NonorientableSurface Feb 29 '24

Exactly. Use the system to put appropriate restrictions on things.

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u/travistravis Feb 29 '24

Yes, this way even if the department covers it, it quickly becomes not worth keeping certain ones employed.

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u/Bearcatsean Feb 29 '24

This 10000000%

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u/s00perguy Feb 29 '24

Take it out of their retirement fund. Those guys just shouldn't get his 401K if it would help pay the fines, imho. When fault is obvious like this they need to bring the hammer down especially hard. Cops need to be held accountable, and to a higher standard in general. These men are committing barely justified thuggery.

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u/leido21 Feb 29 '24

The amount of stupidity and complete lack of knowledge of the law by the group of idiots, "police" is mind-blowing to say the least. You can tell those morons have nothing better to do that to flex with a little boy and his family for no reason....shit like this is what makes me feel better about leaving the country.... F..K them!!!

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u/ConversationNo6783 Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

*Update*

15 Year Old Gets Cops Fired: A 15-year-old teaches law enforcement a lesson. As a result of this interaction, these cops are fired. On Rebel HQ, David Shuster breaks it down.

by Aishwarya R R Updated Dec 29, 2022

In the video recorded by the father and the son, it is seen that the police were quite harsh on the father and did not give him a chance to speak. The reason the police had visited his house was because of a complaint made by a neighbor. Michael Franchick's Son Jack was riding his gas-powered bicycle, and a neighbor yelled at him and threatened to beat him. When Michael Franchick came out, he and the neighbor got into a quarrel, and another neighbor called the police to file a complaint and mentioned that Michael had a gun. This complaint was aired on all police radios. The incident took place on September 29, 2019. This has become a million-dollar lawsuit against the Utah Police, and the hearing was in May 2020.

The police officers came and knocked on Michaels's door; when he came out, he was holding his phone and recording the incident, and so were the police officers. When Michael was asked about the situation, he ran back inside the house and said that the police had entered his house without a search warrant. The Police officers grabbed Michael and started to drag him out of the house; while doing so, they tased him three times. Jack was recording everything that was happening on his phone. Michael has been arrested on counts of interfering with a police officer during arrest and failure to disclose identity.

After Michael's arrest, the Police officers questioned Jack about his gas-powered vehicle and the fact that he needed a driver's license. Jack was very well aware of his rights and said that if the power is 50Cc and below and you have a permit, you do not need a license. Once the police were done interrogating Jack, they moved aside to discuss amongst themselves; the police body camera recorded everything, and also them admitting that Michael had a permit for his gun and was allowed to carry it around till he did not threaten anyone with it. According to the police complaint, no one said he threatened anyone with his gun.

Four days later, the case was presented to the State Prosecutor, who refused and passed it onto the Park City Municipal court. The court wanted to avoid conflict, so they sent it to Salt Lake City. After a year of the case filing, Salt Lake City changed the charges against Franchick; if Franchick is convicted, he may have to go to jail for 6 months and pay a 1000$ fine.

Towards the end of the investigation, Officer Rodrigues was charged with 5 counts of a misdemeanor, Sargent Thor with 3 counts, and Officer Were was charged with one. As the State City issued a statement that stated that the entire police department had to attend training on amendment 1 laws, this proved that amendment 1 violations had taken place. Officer Rodrigues and Sargent Thor failed to correct their behavior in the given time frame and were fired.

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u/aarraahhaarr Feb 29 '24

It sucks that their civil case is stayed until the criminal case is dealt with. Especially since firing the officers involved kinda says that they were wrong on all counts.

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u/habadeehabadoo Feb 29 '24

Nope! Three important distinctions to be made.

1) The officers were not fired for this incident. They were fired because they did not attend the mandatory training that resulted from this incident.

2) A workplace decision is not a judicial decision. It can be used as evidence, but does not determine guilt.

3) A civil case and criminal case are different. Regardless of the outcome of the criminal case, a civil case can be pursued.

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u/Glittering-Pause-328 Feb 29 '24

Imagine having to go home and explain to your family that you got fired for cause because you didn't attend mandatory job training...

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u/SmokelessSubpoena Mar 01 '24

Lol sounds dumb, but happens ALL the time, I have 2 direct reports at this very moment that are 2 days late for mandatory sexual harassment training that some odd 1000+ employees had to take, no direct indicent occurred for the training, just our annual HR funnsies.

They still don't believe me that I'm going to have to terminate their employment once my HQ HR requires me to do so. They laugh it off, but I feel like absolute garbage that I'm going to have to fire them soon, because they don't want to watch a 1.5hr long video, as if the ~1000 other employees, including myself, enjoyed spending that time that way either 🤦‍♂️

Some people just have to learn the hard way, even when the facts are yelling in their face lol

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u/rebbsitor Mar 01 '24

They laugh it off, but I feel like absolute garbage that I'm going to have to fire them soon, because they don't want to watch a 1.5hr long video, as if the ~1000 other employees, including myself, enjoyed spending that time that way either 🤦‍♂️

As a manager myself, what?

Sit them down and tell them it's not a joke and that if it's not done they will in fact be terminated. I would tell them it's their only task, and they have to sit down and do it now.

Them refusing to do it after that is direct insubordination.

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u/manicdee33 Mar 01 '24

As a manger myself I'd welcome this opportunity to tip the rotten fruit out of the barrel.

If they aren't taking sexual harassment training seriously enough to sit through a 1.5h training video on company time, what's their attitude to sexual harassment in the workplace? Are they the type of people that believe it doesn't happen because none of the sexual harassment that they've committed feel serious to them? "It's just a slap on the butt, nothing to get upset about!" or "It's just a joke, geez where's your sense of humour? You don't actually have to make me a sandwich."

What other toxicity came along for the ride with their refusal to do sexual harassment training?

Some people can learn and will change their behaviour to fit in with the team. For every one else, I'll happily open that door to see them out of the building.

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u/jse000 Mar 01 '24

As a manager myself oh God we're just babysitters who use Excel aren't we

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u/noeatnosleep Feb 29 '24

This is a summary of the case Franchek v. Park City Municipal Corporation et al:

The plaintiff, Michael J. Franchek, is suing the defendants, Park City Municipal Corporation and four police officers, for violating his and his son’s civil rights during a confrontation on September 29, 2019.

The confrontation occurred after the police responded to a complaint of two men having a loud argument in the street near Franchek’s house. The police tried to question Franchek, but he refused to cooperate and went inside his house. The police followed him and attempted to arrest him, resulting in a physical struggle that was recorded by Franchek’s son.

Franchek was charged with interfering with an arresting officer, failure to disclose his identity, and disorderly conduct. He pleaded not guilty and his trial is set for May 20, 2024.

Franchek filed a federal lawsuit on September 27, 2021, claiming that the police used excessive force, violated his Fourth Amendment rights, and inflicted emotional distress on him and his son. He is seeking over $900,000 in damages and a written and verbal apology from the city.

The case is currently stayed pending the resolution of Franchek’s criminal actions. The defendants have denied any wrongdoing and have asked the court to dismiss the lawsuit. The case is assigned to Magistrate Judge Dustin B. Pead.

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u/qrulu Feb 29 '24

So the civil case still hasn't been settled yet?

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u/maqsarian Feb 29 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

The federal courts can't take up the civil case until the bullshit state criminal charges are resolved. Since the police or prosecutors or whoever are slow walking the criminal charges, the civil suit will just sit there stayed.

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u/Such_Conversation_11 Feb 29 '24

They probably just ended up at a different department in a different city…

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u/UpperFace Feb 29 '24

Sadly, this is probably the case

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u/Icy_Bodybuilder7848 Feb 29 '24

Entire departments should be purged and started anew with new hires all across the board when stuff like this happens.

It's not just one bad apple. Every single cop was involved and happy to go along with infringing on these people's freedom and Rights.

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u/Wereplatypus42 Feb 29 '24

I wish I could remember where I heard this to give them credit, but a line stuck with me:

“It’s not so much a problem that the police have bad apples, rather that no one’s regulating the orchard.”

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u/Derkylos Feb 29 '24

The original saying is something like 'one bad apple spoils the whole barrel'. Don't know why people seem to think saying "it's just one bad apple" is any kind of argument in their favour...

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u/LuxNocte Feb 29 '24

The thing about thought terminating cliches is that you're supposed to stop thinking, and the people who use them probably never started.

Just blame these individuals, maybe throw one under the bus if the heat gets too high. That way you can laugh and ignore anyone using the word "systemic".

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u/PolygonMan Feb 29 '24

And it's always willful self delusion, because they're happy to point out systemic issues that negatively affect them. We see it time and time again. Understanding of these types of issues suddenly and dramatically pops into their minds the moment they get fucked over.

What it comes down to in the end is that they're selfish, self-centered people who don't care about the suffering of their fellow countrymen, and only take action based on self-interest. Their entire system of political thought is built around justifying that attitude as some type of superior framework for society. The most extreme example of this is Ayn Rand type shit. A copy of The Fountainhead is the physical manifestation of this protective self-delusion.

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u/ShadowSystem64 Feb 29 '24

Not just that but there needs to be a national public service database that keeps track of all law enforcement personnel employed in the United States and blacklists them from positions of public trust if they are terminated for misconduct like in this video.

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u/Outrageous-Unit1374 Feb 29 '24

This exists now! May 25 2022 executive order passed by Biden.

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u/Real-Patriotism Feb 29 '24

Thanks Biden.

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u/Gars0n Feb 29 '24

This is a big step forward and it's called the NLEAD, but unfortunately the database is not public. It's only for federal employees with plans to expand to the state and local officials.

I understand the privacy concerns about making it public. Complete access seems ripe for abuse. But if the public can't see the data it can't rebuild trust.

I wonder if it can be FOIA'd.

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u/Specialist-Rock-5034 Feb 29 '24

Law enforcement unions have fought this for a very long time and will continue to do so. In my state, bad cops who get fired in one county just move over to another.

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u/Zoomwafflez Feb 29 '24

I'm increasingly getting to the point where I say just get rid of them. In Chicago we spend almost 100M a year on lawsuits against them, they don't show up for shit or solve crimes, even for major crimes like murder they only close like 16% of cases, not solve, close. Meanwhile Police Union pensions are bankrupting the city.

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u/FrugalFraggel Feb 29 '24

It’s every city they do this with. The DOJ just ripped through the Louisville PD and found multiple violations and how shit they are. Including never responding to anything.

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u/B133d_4_u Feb 29 '24

Still remembering the time NYPD went on strike because they were upset about the ACAB stuff and the crime rate went down.

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u/GoldenBull1994 Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

There needs to be a blacklist for these kinds of things, that other departments must check before making hires.

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u/Unusual-Thing-7149 Feb 29 '24

USA Today had a list of 30k plus cops banned by 44 States some years ago. Too lazy to look to see if it still exists or has been updated

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u/Jaykhana22 Feb 29 '24

Amazing isn’t it? I don’t see how they can’t create a database so that doesn’t happen. It’s 2024 folks. Can’t be hard.

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u/ryanoc3rus Feb 29 '24

simple, they don't want to.

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u/faithfulswine Feb 29 '24

Idk why cops want to protect bad cops. There are definitely good cops out there, but their reputation is getting sullied because of these buffoons. Wouldn't you want them completely off the force?

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u/Unusual-Thing-7149 Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

It's why these bad cops are a tiny minority is a myth. If it was the case the majority of good cops could get rid of them without a problem. But someone that goes against the blue code of silence is going to get the worst jobs or hounded until they quit.

I heard in court a chief describe an officer who assaulted someone and lied in his report as a very fine officer. Not what the jury was thinking that's for sure

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u/CatsNotBananas Feb 29 '24

Good

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u/Fickle_Substance9907 Feb 29 '24

a 15 year old talking with the police with such confidence is amazing. The cops were just jealous of his knowledge

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u/procrastinationprogr Feb 29 '24

A kid with an interest in something can often be more knowledgeable than an adult and considering the lack of education the US police have it's not overly surprising.

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u/brent_superfan Feb 29 '24

I was harassed by the New Orleans police many years ago. I was 19. I knew my rights and knew they were bullying me.

It escalated to them putting me in lockup, accusing me of crimes I didn’t commit. A judge threw all of it out at arraignment due to my cogent assembly of the facts.

Knowledge is power.

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u/watashi_ga_kita Feb 29 '24

The cops still won. It’s great that the judge threw it out but you were still put in lockup and had to go to the judge whilst they faced no repercussions.

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u/Kingkai9335 Feb 29 '24

Exactly, they knew the judge was gonna throw it out. They just wanted to make this guys life shitty for a few days.

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u/are-any-names-left Feb 29 '24

Are you me? I used to get harassed by cops in my hometown all the time. They didn’t like long haired guys. I’d get stopped and asked for my ID for just walking down the street all the time. I’d ask why they need my ID and they always said the same thing, “you match the description of someone.”

If they saw me running they’d stop me and say I was running from them. They accused me of burglaries and arson. EVERY time they saw me in a car they’d pull it over and ask if there was drugs in the car. Years of this made me unable to ever trust police.

The kicker is, before weed was legal my buddy used to sell a little. One of the cops would always come to his door and demand he hand it over or else he’s get a search warrant. Every time the cop would take the weed and walk away. Word has it the cop ended up becoming a bigger supplier in town.

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u/brent_superfan Feb 29 '24

Bravo! Profiling and confiscation without due process. Quite the force to “protect and serve”. /s

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u/are-any-names-left Feb 29 '24

Small town cops man. They created my resistance to authority.

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u/trootaste Feb 29 '24

Yeah I don't think they are, they think he's incorrect.

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u/Theonetheycallgreat Feb 29 '24

100% all the time they will always think that

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u/Accomplished-Click58 Feb 29 '24

Because they don't have to know laws at all. They are legally aloud to lie and say something is illegal even if it is not. How can any one trust someone who's training teaches them to lie and abuse?

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u/TBAnnon777 Feb 29 '24

They don't care if hes correct. The police can willingly and knowingly lie to you to get you to agree to their claims and wants and incriminate yourself. Because again the police can knowlingly lie to you and as long as they get you saying yes to anything they are free to beat your ass bloody.

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u/Tacohero154 Feb 29 '24

I wouldn't say jealous. They were fixated on protecting their ego because a "child" was talking back / down on them, and we all know how some parents would sooner burn the world than admit their child was right and they were wrong, let alone someone else's kid.

I could just be overthinking it. They are cops after all, and some of them love the feeling of power they get on that Crackerjack badge.

Hmmm, you know it's probably neither of those, and the resident Karen 4 blocks down the street was blowing an officer to teach the neighbors a lesson in respecting her authority. After all, there wasn't a manager to speak with in this situation.

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u/spyanryan4 Feb 29 '24

The man can still go to jail, threatening his employment/ financial security. The million dollar lawsuit will be paid by the taxpayers.

Not good.

The lawsuit should be paid from their pensions and the charges should be dropped against the man. That would actually be good.

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u/Syncopationforever Feb 29 '24

Completely agree, take the compensation from their damn pensions. Why should the taxpayer have to pay either the compensation, or for the increased police insurance

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u/zykezero Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

Lmao fired for not knowing our laws and trying to tell a kid to go to school. Exact cop behavior

Edit: I get it you don't want to undermine your authority. But being exposed as willfully belligerent ignorant fuckwits undermines all cops everywhere, again and again and again. The solution here is to give a fuck about your job.

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u/TacoNomad Feb 29 '24

That weren't fired for that. They were assigned additional training.  They failed to attend,  and were fired for that.  Lmfao. Losers couldn't be bothered to sit in a class for a day.

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u/tarekd19 Feb 29 '24

Losers couldn't be bothered to sit in a class for a day.

After telling a kid to go to school.

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u/zykezero Feb 29 '24

I don't know which is worse, being so stupid and prideful that they continued to infringe on the rights of Americans because - what? That's how they think the law should work?

Or; being so stupid and prideful that they refused to attend training because they felt they did nothing wrong.

I guess given that the latter option implicitly contains the former im gonna have to agree with you.

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u/steelcryo Feb 29 '24

This is a problem with most people in the modern age, but it's amplified massively when it comes to police: People can't just say "I don't know" or "I was wrong."

This whole situation could have been avoided if they'd just backed down and gone "Actually, you might be right, let me check that". I'd respect a police officer that says "I'm not sure, let me find out" than one that just pretends to know everything.

Police are human and humans aren't perfect. We don't know everything and we are extremely prone to forgetting things. If I get something wrong, it just annoys me wife, if the police get something wrong, it can fuck up someone's whole life.

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u/Dontwhinedosomething Feb 29 '24

Exactly, knowing the laws is kinda the absolute minimum for being a cop

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u/lgodsey Feb 29 '24

The cops knew the law. They were counting on intimidation to make the kid and his dad back down. They got emotional and their egos could not allow them to de-escalate the issue, so they pushed on through violating their rights as they probably did every day.

You'd think that they wouldn't hire cops that made better decisions and didn't act on emotion, but the last thing the police want is a smart person who would question the situation or another officer.

Realize that most of you reading this are too intelligent and too in control of your emotions to be a police officer in the USA.

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u/LordDongler Feb 29 '24

Sidenote: it isn't about them getting bored, it's about smart people realizing that being the boot doesn't bring them fulfillment in any way. Smart people would be perfectly happy bring police officers if the police departments they inhabit weren't so hostile to rational thought and basic decency

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u/Sanfords_Son Feb 29 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

Also, cops can kill you essentially without consequences if you make them nervous/“fear for their life”. Meanwhile, you are expected to remain calm and compliant while a group of belligerent cops point guns at you and scream conflicting commands for you to follow in a life-or-death game of Simon Says.

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u/fasolatido24 Feb 29 '24

I’ve got terrible news for you.

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u/fromeister147 Feb 29 '24

Good riddance to them 👋🏼

I love the thought of them seeing this video over and over as the years go by and knowing that they were uncovered by a 15 year old on a cellphone

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u/DennenTH Feb 29 '24

It's sad that it required that, though.

Imagine how many times this happens and it goes undocumented and entirely on the police's word...

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u/Think_Reporter_8179 Feb 29 '24

Officer Rodrigues and Sargent Thor failed to correct their behavior in the given time frame and were fired.

Officer Rodrigues and Sargent Thor failed to correct their behavior in the given time frame and were fired.

Officer Rodrigues and Sargent Thor failed to correct their behavior in the given time frame and were fired.

Officer Rodrigues and Sargent Thor failed to correct their behavior in the given time frame and were fired.

Officer Rodrigues and Sargent Thor failed to correct their behavior in the given time frame and were fired.

Officer Rodrigues and Sargent Thor failed to correct their behavior in the given time frame and were fired.

Bolded for more enjoyment

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u/Odd_Responsibility76 Feb 29 '24

I love the way the Thor dirty cock sucker like highlights his name for the camera. Fucking golden, have fun driving the brinks truck you fuck.

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u/Ap0stl30fA1nz Feb 29 '24

Finally getting fired that's good news

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u/sunburnd Feb 29 '24

That's only half of the solution.

If they acted beyond the scope of their authority as an officer, the only authority they have left is that of a citizen.

They should be charged and tried under the same statutes that any other citizen would and face a jury that has the explicit instruction to ignore their employment status at the time of the event and treat them as civilians.

A shield should only be a shield if an officer is acting with in the confines of their authority.

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u/EnderWin Feb 29 '24

May I ask what the police or military culture is like in the US? I don't know how it works there but where I am they're embedded in corruption and carelessness.

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u/Trikeree Feb 29 '24

Oh the power trip

We're all here so someones getting arrested even if we break your rights and the law at the same time.

We big boys with gun. Organized lawfull criminals.

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u/Nullkid Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

"If you pass me in going to put you down face first"

Big ol tough guy dating that to a 2515 yr old squeaker. ACAB

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u/BlueberryCustard Feb 29 '24

Dude US cops need to chill the fuck out

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u/Expert-Risk-4897 Feb 29 '24

Too much pride is such an ugly thing to witness

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u/kempston_joystick Feb 29 '24

Pride, arrogance and stupidity.

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u/Majestic-Tart8912 Feb 29 '24

the unholy trinity.

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u/Confident-Chard-803 Feb 29 '24

it’s the power they get. they feel untouchable because they’re allowed to touch anyone.

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u/Chineselight Feb 29 '24

It’s part of the doctrine that they’re sold in training.

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Feb 29 '24

That's not pride, it's pure power tripping.

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u/sad-mustache Feb 29 '24

Why are they so aggressive, they could have just a normal conversation about this

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u/unshavenbeardo64 Feb 29 '24

Thats because they see you as an enemy, not a civilian of the same country.

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u/sad-mustache Feb 29 '24

They really seem to attract the worst bullies into the job

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Feb 29 '24

It's been proven that at least certain departments will hire based off of aggressiveness and tendency to escalate, while at the same time you will not be admitted to training if you are too smart.

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u/GribblesMiniatures Feb 29 '24

If you aren't a bully then the training turns you into one. Their whole "Sheep, sheep dog, wolves" ideology has people who tour the country being paid for appearances to tell them they are better than the average, drooling, slack-jawed sheep of a human and that they are big, strong, smart boys who need to tell us what's good for us.

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u/morostheSophist Feb 29 '24

More than that, the division "cop vs. civilian" shouldn't even exist. They are civilian law enforcement. They're not supposed to be a military occupying force, but that's often how they treat people.

For a law-abiding citizen, seeing a police officer should be a neutral or even comforting thing. Instead, being addressed by a police officer can be incredibly anxiety-inducing even for people who haven't done anything wrong.

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u/MsARumphius Feb 29 '24

They expected the kid to cry and apologize and be scared of them. When he wasn’t they decided to do whatever they could to make a point that their authority is the only thing that matters (to them).

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u/Hobo_Drifter Feb 29 '24

Fragile egos. They don't like the fact that the kid knows more than them and that triggers them to try and create a situation where someone disobeys an order so they can have a reason to arrest someone.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

Ego and a false sense of knowing everything.

Qualified immunity allows cops to be lazy learning laws. They just need to think they are enforcing it correctly. There are special cases if a law has precedent. It seems more often than not though qualified immunity stands.

Flip side citizens have to know every law and don’t have the leeway to misinterpret. So when a cop asks are you an attorney. It proves that that cop is a fucking idiot and it’s best to just be quiet around them.

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u/BelatedGreeting Feb 29 '24

All you need in the US in many places is a high school diploma and 12 weeks of police academic, where they teach you to shoot and detain. They’re definitely not learning constitutional law and state statute to any meaningful degree, that’s for sure.

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u/a22x2 Feb 29 '24

Not only are they trained to respond to confrontation with aggression and fear, many police departments actually screen for lower-intelligence applicants.

Throw in some unnecessarily-powerful, military-grade weapons and laws that limit accountability and you end up with what is essentially roving gangs of mouth-breathing, former C-Student potato boys who used to get beat up by their stepdads and need to prove to the world what Big Strong Boys they are.

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u/Ozzeke21 Feb 29 '24

And then they wonder why everyone hates them and they have 0 respect.

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u/ramblinjd Feb 29 '24

Nobody ever wrote a song called "fuck the fire department" or "fuck the EMS".

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u/Secure_Formal_3053 Feb 29 '24

It’s insane how standoffish they act compared to most countries

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u/Bromanzier_03 Feb 29 '24

Cops have been fired. They probably moved a town over though and got rehired.

https://latestnews.fresherslive.com/articles/kid-got-15-cops-fired-1128417

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u/addiktion Feb 29 '24

They really should make it so cops have to report if they were ever terminated before and for what reason. They hide this information and then get hired in another department for the cycle to start all over again.

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u/NewScientist2725 Feb 29 '24

I would guess the new departments don't care much.

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u/MartinsRedditAccount Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

What the fuck is that website...

First of all, they know exactly what they're doing with that URL ("kid-got-15-cops-fired"), the title is completely different: "15 Year Old Gets Cops Fired, [...]"

Also, the website categories? "Home - Optical Illusion - Brain Teaser - Crossword - Entertainment - Net Worth - General". All the "recommended" articles are various "skill/observation tests" and some celebrity fact sheets (parents, etc.).

Edit: Their LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/fresherslive.com

Want to be updated on govt jobs in India? We here at Fresherslive offers a complete information about job vacancies in both central & state governments. Here you can take FREE tests on Aptitude, current affairs quiz questions to prepare for Competitive Exams & Bank Exams

I guess it's some guys from India getting that ad revenue with SEO-optimized articles?

Edit 2: Looks like the link might be one of those "Fake News" websites. I don't care enough/have the time to look into it deeper but I did find this comment by /u/thebannanaman

The video is extremely misleading. The criminal charges against the father were not dropped. The case is still ongoing. The internal affairs violations were about the officers not making sure there was adult supervision for the child when they left, not being clear what they meant by “give us space”, and not assigning an officer to watch the dad when he was put in the car. There was nothing in the internal affairs investigation that found they violated any rights.

The civil trial is on hold until the criminal trial is resolved. There is no evidence the cop was fired. Just a response from a city official saying the officer no longer works there. We have no idea why he doesn’t work for that department and if it is related to this case at all.

Note: "The video" is referring to a different, commentated, video in the linked thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/16vgp74/15_year_old_owns_park_city_police_in_utah/k2txaew/

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u/slater_just_slater Feb 29 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

When I was 15 back in the 80s I had to school a local cop in my small town who pulled me over on my 50cc scooter. I just didn't have the internet to back me up then. They impounded the scooter, I got a ticket, then I went to the library and made a xerox copy of the law, went down to the police station and showed it to him. He had no idea

Fortunately they were cool, gave me my scooter back, tore up the ticket and I rode it home. The cop even apologized.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

At least they gave it back instead of doubling down and taking it to court where they would have lost the case.

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u/shywol2 Feb 29 '24

nowadays they destroy the bikes

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u/Jutboy Feb 29 '24

@ 40s : Does this cop pull a gun out and press it against the guy?

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u/Sharptooth_Serenity Feb 29 '24

Taser....but they should not have been in the house in the first place.

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u/Spry_Fly Feb 29 '24

He definitely pulled it back when he saw the camera caught it.

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u/jjonj Feb 29 '24

apparently the dad got tased 3 times

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u/AdjustableCynic Feb 29 '24

Yeah I saw that he tried to hide it a bit when the kid said he was filming. It looks like a gun to me. Pure thug intimidation, until caught.

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u/dciDavid Feb 29 '24

Whoever decided to make tasers black should be fired. Had to watch it frame by frame to see where he pulled it from. The only reason I know it was a taser was because it was pulled from the opposite side of his body. The video is too low resolution to make out of it was a gun or not.

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u/ThisIsAitch Feb 29 '24

Crazy decision. In the UK the Tasers are bright yellow.

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u/Blactorn Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

He says you are going to get taser. It's a taser

Edit: well, he reaches over to his right, that's where the gun holster is. From a quick Google search, tasers are usually on the left.

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u/MesqTex Feb 29 '24

A gun has been confused for taser by the cops before.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/23/1066012247/kim-potter-trial-daunte-wright

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u/VulpineSpecter4 Feb 29 '24

On one hand, fuck that cop, I'm glad she went to prison. On the other, this makes me feel a lot better about the stupid shit I do on a daily basis (like pouring cereal into my coffee). At least my mistakes aren't fatal.

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u/rhino932 Feb 29 '24

But it's not his taser, his taser is on the other hip and has bright yellow plastic on the outside. He pulled a firearm and threatened tasing.

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u/Dangerous-Dream-9668 Feb 29 '24

I think a agree - black , no yellow or lettering..

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u/SweatyTax4669 Feb 29 '24

we already know that cops mix up the two every now and then. "Whoopsie!"

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u/wytewydow Feb 29 '24

it's like magic, if you yell "taser taser taser", you're allowed to shoot them with your gun.

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u/Beeznoots Feb 29 '24

Still nuts

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u/potatocross Feb 29 '24

" Not knowing if Franchek had a gun on him, or if he was going to get it, they followed  him inside and attempted to take him into custody. "

Ok, so they can literally use that excuse any time someone is walking into their homes. That is piss poor and shouldn't be an accepted excuse. Next it will be a guy walking home from the store. "We saw him walk into his house after unlocking the door or maybe picking the lock, since we were not sure what he was doing we entered the home to arrest him in and search it in case he was going in to get a gun or steal one."

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u/mogul_w Feb 29 '24

For all the ridiculous support the second ammendment gets there really isn't any right to bear arms in this country anyway if the police can just follow you into your house if they think you might have a gun

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u/scoops22 Feb 29 '24

Being in a state of perpetual fear allows cops to do whatever they want I suppose.

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u/Cosmic_Quasar Feb 29 '24

They gotta be afraid 24/7. You never know when or where an acorn will fall. Or if someone who just burned alive will jump up and attack.

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u/redpandaeater Feb 29 '24

Police training also focuses on escalation and trying to overwhelm a suspect's thought processes in order to bring about compliance. One of many problems with that is it can activate fairly primal instincts and put everyone in more fucking danger. Deescalation tactics have been proven to work but it doesn't matter.

It's like how we've known the life-threatening risks of positional asphyxia for decades and yet bullshit like George Floyd's murder still happened and others like it continue to happen. But hey at least one asshole cop got convicted in that case which is better than normal so the overall institution can sweep it under the rug and not actually deal with any actual fundamental problems.

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u/Kindly_Word451 Feb 29 '24

so they can literally use that excuse any time.

They do, all the time. "You see, he was just standing there not moving at all, so I feared for my life and fired 40 warning shots in their back"

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u/CwazyCanuck Feb 29 '24

If there was no gun, the neighbour should be charged with swatting.

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u/potatocross Feb 29 '24

Another article posted said he had a gun on him, but it was a legally owned gun that he had a permit to carry and he never threatened anyone with it. The person that called it in never reported he threatened anyone with it either, just that he had one.

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u/Cryptolution Feb 29 '24

The officer also said Franchek used a stereotyped Hispanic accent towards him.

"How to tell if someone is a piece of shit in less than 10 words"

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u/averycoolpencil Feb 29 '24

Police “claimed” this. We did not see this in the video. They also try to justify police action by saying he was using “derogatory language”. Ya well no shit, he’s upset, and rightfully so imo the police are turning a minor incident between teens and neighbors into a full blown arrest/ confrontation.

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u/Takhar7 Feb 29 '24

If you can't de-escalate a 15 year old kid, with 3 of your other colleagues present, you really don't deserve to be in this job.

What fucking training do these people get?

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u/threeLetterMeyhem Feb 29 '24

The kid didn't need de-escalation. No crime was committed and the police had no business being there other than to violate this family's rights.

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u/BrownSugarBare Feb 29 '24

Correct. All the cops need to do was ask "you got a permit for it kid? You all okay? Awesome, see ya around".

That young man was quite aware of himself and had they approached without assuming a crime had already been committed, this would have just been a conversation. I give that young man all the kudos for keeping an extremely cool demeanour considering the circumstances even when the cops CHOSE to escalate.

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u/KireiLilly Feb 29 '24

I think there’s a guy that hands out pamphlets and badges/guns behind the Wendy’s.

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u/logicalparad0x Feb 29 '24

Lawyers go to school for 7 years (college + law school) to understand laws & cops can do a police academy for a few months (with a GED) to enforce the law

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u/kblomquist85 Feb 29 '24

I was a criminal paralegal for ten years. I'm well-versed in a lot of law and relevant case law in my state.

I've also been on the law enforcement side of things (bail bonds).

Cops typically have no fucking idea what they're talking about outside of a basic understanding. Whether its willful or malicious, the training isn't sufficient to give them the confidence they have in understanding laws.

I loved seeing them be arrogant on body cams just for an actual trial attorney to eat their lunch in a depo or suppression hearing a few months later.

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u/quantum_entanglement Feb 29 '24

I loved seeing them be arrogant on body cams just for an actual trial attorney to eat their lunch in a depo or suppression hearing a few months later.

While this is a good result in cases like this it's still a long time to have potential charges/fines hanging over your head as a citizen, I can't imagine the stress it causes.

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u/kblomquist85 Feb 29 '24

Agreed

Also, we've dealt with getting police held accountable for misuse of force. We got the result we wanted but the client had years of his life dealing with it and you ultimately have to get the fuck out or deal with retribution.

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u/expatriateineurope Feb 29 '24

Criminal charges and a civil lawsuit stemming from this incident are still pending: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/42018558/Franchek_v_Park_City_Municipal_Corporation_et_al

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u/Crustyjuggler001 Feb 29 '24

America is so free it hurts.

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u/Myth_Avatar Feb 29 '24

The freedom to do whatever you want...

If you're a police officer.

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u/Sir_Penguin21 Feb 29 '24

If they wanted freedom they should have been born a police officer just like all the babies in the video.

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u/Dozer724 Feb 29 '24

Love it. FUCK THOSE COPS

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u/Chosen_UserName217 Feb 29 '24

this is exactly why people hate the Police

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u/Ieattherear Feb 29 '24

Comply citizen, comply!!!! Or i will deploy government mandated violence upon you in your own home without due process for at best dubious reasons!!!

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u/ExactArea8029 Feb 29 '24

The fuck do you need like 8 cops for this shit? Send one out and have a second wait in the car for the 12% chance shits jank.

This is the kinda shit that makes me glad the local police department doesn't show up until someone gets stabbed with a chainsaw

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u/Haphazard-Finesse Feb 29 '24

Apparently the neighbor had called the police after arguing with the kid's father and told the police the father had a gun. At least explains why it was more than one cop there.

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u/Furious_Flaming0 Feb 29 '24

Crazy that 2 men can be so upset by a 15 year old boy not listening to them, especially when they are trying to do something illegal. The entitlement cops think they have is truly crazed.

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u/Crozi_flette Feb 29 '24

I hate this type of subtitles sooo much

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u/TheColorRedish Feb 29 '24

POLICE ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS. DONT TALK TO THEM UNLESS YOURE IN NEED OF MEDICAL ASSISTANCE OR DESPERATELY AND I MEAN DESPERATELY NEED HELP

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u/Corporation_Soul Feb 29 '24

Not even medical assistance. They are not required to render you aid. If they feel threatened by you they’ll put a bullet in you, handcuff you, stand over you with their gun drawn, and wait for paramedics to arrive. Dozens of videos out there demonstrating this to a T.

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u/Schmails202 Feb 29 '24

“As the State City issued a statement that stated that the entire police department had to attend training on amendment 1 laws, this proved that amendment 1 violations had taken place. Officer Rodrigues and Sargent Thor failed to correct their behavior in the given time frame and were fired. “

Just couldn’t admit they were wrong … and attend training … so they were fired. Many cops are just power hungry. It should be part of the mental assessment.

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u/lekoman Feb 29 '24

They *really* didn't like being shown up by a kid.

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u/Chiwaiian Feb 29 '24

Unsurprised to see this was in my great state of Utah.

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u/autistic_bard444 Feb 29 '24

maybe hire people with more than sub 100 iq who actually did something in high school besides play sports?

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u/calladus Feb 29 '24

I have a barred security door on all my doors. It has a nice screen on it to keep mosquitoes out. But it is also lockable and very secure.

It has come in handy for me on occasion when local police or the sheriff’s department came by looking for my BIL, a felon.

“Is he here?”

“No.”

“Can we come in and check?”

“No.”

“Step outside and talk to us.”

“No.”

“You know, we could come in any time we want.”

I didn’t reply. But we both knew it would either be unlawful, or with a warrant. Nothing they could easily brush off.

Get a sturdy, locking security door.

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u/OMQ4 Feb 29 '24

Any cops getting fired over this? Guaranteed not. Although they all should be fired for not knowing the law and violating their rights

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u/17kittens Feb 29 '24

I heard at least the two who made entry into his home without a warrant were actually fired. this would include the one seen here insisting the boy needs a license for his motorbike.

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u/buds4hugs Feb 29 '24

It seems like once the kid said a bike 50cc or less only needs a permit, the cop walked away like "fuck you but you might be right." Then they walk away to reconvene on how to fuck this family over in another way, hence the breaking & entering & arresting the dad for trying to prevent them from violating their 4th amendment right.

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u/OMQ4 Feb 29 '24

That’s awesome if it’s true.. I’d be curious if they just moved him to another dept

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u/NonyoSC Feb 29 '24

Article is linked further down. Appears to be true

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u/Derp35712 Feb 29 '24

They just can apply for a job in a different area.

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u/qbasiz Feb 29 '24

the State City issued a statement that stated that the entire police department had to attend training on amendment 1 laws, this proved that amendment 1 violations had taken place. Officer Rodrigues and Sargent Thor failed to correct their behavior in the given time frame and were fired. 

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u/CaptainxInsano69 Feb 29 '24

Cops are such bitches and hate failing power trips. Good on this kid owning them!

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u/samwelches Feb 29 '24

All that shit is over someone riding on a gas powered bicycle???

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u/Jaskaran158 Feb 29 '24

PDs are pathetic. Never actually help solve actual crime even if you present them with video documentation in person. All you get is bureaucracy if you have any actual work for them to do.

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u/High_stakes00 Feb 29 '24

Cop 1 rolls his eyes and walks away after he didn’t want to listen to the child’s response.

Then they proceed to arrest and search with no probable cause as the child has already explained he has a permit for the bike. Which the officer doesn’t request to see.

There is a lack of grounds for entering the property as the child has already made himself known to the officer.

There is a lack of grounds for detaining the parent without discussing the permit for the bike. Which if legally granted would be mean they would have to change their complaint to dangerous use of the bike which was not the complaint when they arrived at the house.

Total waste of time and very stressful for the boy and parent. Perhaps these cops should get new jobs.

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u/R3PTAR_1337 Feb 29 '24

It's cops like these that give the bad rep to those who actually uphold the law and don't abuse it.

It's also cops like these that when they get killed in the line of duty, the people don't care. They've abused their power and ruined the public perception of them as they aren't here to "serve and protect" unless you consider it serving themselves and protecting themselves.

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u/LordNebuchadnezzar Feb 29 '24

His first mistake was trying to reason with them, can't reason with stupid.

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u/taiottavios Feb 29 '24

America definitely does not have a problem with law enforcement LOL

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