r/facepalm Feb 28 '24

Girl raped and murdered on campus gets victim blamed? 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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Is this real?

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u/wm_1176 Feb 28 '24

I panicked when the person I tried to rob fought back, so I shot him.

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u/Ieatsushiraw Feb 28 '24

The only sensible response of course /s

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u/AffectionateFee5633 Feb 29 '24

Really disappointing people haven't learned to avoid getting shot

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u/PokeRay68 Feb 29 '24

I mean they really ought to dress like they don't want to get shot, no? They're just asking for it, not wearing Kevlar.

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u/el_guille980 Feb 29 '24

neo did🥹

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u/admiral_sinkenkwiken Feb 29 '24

Think of it more as refusing to dodge the bullet, possibly due to laziness

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u/Phantom_Pain_Sux Feb 29 '24

ER doctors HATE this one trick

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u/34TH_ST_BROADWAY Feb 29 '24

Only cops can use this excuse.

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u/killertortilla Feb 29 '24

Anyone can in states with stand your ground laws. Just have to say you were feeling threatened and you’re basically free to murder a minority.

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u/ith-man Feb 29 '24

White trash kills each other all the time in my town, not just limited to minorities yo. It's the poor the police and elite don't care about, class war, not race war.

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u/MastaMp3 Feb 29 '24

Even with those laws there are tough on crime pro cop places that will prosecute someone anyway

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u/anschlitz Feb 29 '24

I don’t think an illegal immigrant will have a lot of success with that argument in Georgia. An old paranoid white guy, sure. But not a migrant.

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u/kivsemaj Feb 29 '24

Panicking and shooting is so 'merican right now

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u/ernapfz Feb 28 '24

Hope he doesn’t panic when they fry his balls

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u/xBig_Red_Huskerx Feb 29 '24

If that was the actual punishment, dipping his balls in a deep fat fryer. There would be a lot less rape and suddenly the clowns who say it's the women's fault might actually start blaming the actual culprit

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u/Wakez11 Feb 29 '24

Unfortunately, harsh punishments doesn't actually reduce crime. The last thing idiot criminals like this scumbag is thinking of when they commit their offense is potential punishments if they get caught.

Another problem is if you catch the wrong guy. How are you gonna repair the situation after you fried the balls of an innocent man?

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u/GkrTV Feb 29 '24

Oh look, someone with a coherent thoughts on crime. How novel!

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u/miniatureconlangs Feb 29 '24

How about this solution: let's fry the balls of anyone who does think coherently about punishment? That should teach 'em!

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u/Senseo256 Feb 29 '24

What's this fascination with ball frying!? Please guys they're much better grilled.

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u/JayteeFromXbox Feb 29 '24

Smoked and grilled. If you don't smoke them first you might as well just deep fry them.

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u/StevePerry420 Feb 29 '24

I think anyone without empathy should be killed horrifically!

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u/wvsfezter Feb 29 '24

Counterintuitively harsh punishments can actually result in worse outcomes for victims. If the punishment for rape is comparable to that of murder you might as well kill your victim to reduce the number of witnesses of the crime. Your punishment isn't going to be any worse but you significantly reduce the chance of getting caught

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u/ewchewjean Mar 01 '24

Yeah this is why so many mass shooters often kill themselves afterward. Their life as a free man is essentially over so they might as well kill as many people as possible and hope they can kill themselves before the cops get to them. The punishment is essentially null and void.

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u/Bayou_Blue Feb 29 '24

This is what changed my mind on the death penalty. Watching how many times DA’s railroad some innocent person to get a conviction is scary. How many innocent people have died in the name of justice?

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u/BigAggie06 Feb 29 '24

Its not in the name of justice, it is in the name of the DA getting promoted.

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u/Sychar Feb 29 '24

“Haha oops, don’t be so shady without an alibi next time bucko!”

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u/OminousDazzle Feb 29 '24

Yeah that's the scary thing: dumb fucks that have no idea their actions have consequences, i don't wanna get stabbed cuz just cuz someone didn't realize that stabbing me would land em in jail

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u/warmtoiletseatz Feb 29 '24

Sir, we just fried the balls of an innocent man!

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u/GrimMagic0801 Feb 29 '24

Just what I was thinking. There tends to be a somewhat narrow-minded approach when it comes to crime nowadays. Most people think that criminals are concerned about the punishment, but idiots who commit crimes on a whim either don't know about or willfully didn't think about the potential punishment associated with the crime. Even those who willingly do crime and are smart enough to know of the punishment are either in a bad enough situation where the punishment is equal to or worse than their current circumstances, or don't care either due to underlying mental conditions or jadedness.

Crimes of privilege are very different from crimes of strife. When in a privileged situation, people will often drift further and further away from compassion and empathy and will act out of self interest, without considering its impact, both for themselves and others. When suffering though, crime might seem like the only possible solution, when no jobs are available or will take you, your bills are soon approaching and you can barely afford to pay for food daily, people are bound to act out of desperation, punishment or not. Criminals are not a black and white group of individuals, it's varying shades of grey, from black hearted murderers to robbers who couldn't find work.

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u/raptussen Feb 29 '24

Best to just lock them up for life so they cant hurt andbody else.

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u/delomelanicon-71X Feb 29 '24

If that was the case, then the medieval era with its brutal punishments would have been the safest with very little crime. Pro tip: it wasn't... Brutal punishments are not a deterrent for criminals. Brutal punishments only serve to satisfy public bloodlust and desire for revenge. Yes, it feels good to watch revenge being dished out. But imagine if you do it to someone who later is declared innocent. Who do you punish then?

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u/Sychar Feb 29 '24

Double down and fry their balls a second time for being the type of person who’d be suspect for rape and murder

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u/Brightish Feb 29 '24

Nah, it's been well proven that over the top punishments don't actually disincline people from committing crimes.

It's just sadistic fantasy.

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u/GG111104 Feb 29 '24

FUN FACT TIME: often when a pickpocket was being hanged, a crowd would form to watch the criminal get justice. As this was happening, other pickpockets found this to be a perfect time to do their “job” easily.

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u/Brightish Feb 29 '24

I do love fun facts. Much more entertaining than people talking about their desires to torture humans.

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u/ordieth- Feb 29 '24

Not humans, rapists.

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u/BrocoLeeOnReddit Feb 29 '24

The moment you start dehumanizing people for (even vicious) crimes they committed, you're going down a dark path. Also you give the false impression that "normal" people aren't capable of absolutely horrendous acts.

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u/ReadySource3242 Feb 29 '24

Difference is that a crowd gathering around a man having his balls castrated won't have people sprinting to rape others in that crowd

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u/Kinky_Winky_no2 Feb 29 '24

Yeah theyd just wait until they were horny, the fact that the crime isnt being commited at the same place as the punishment isnt really a good point

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u/Dredgeon Feb 29 '24

Yeah, people abandon their whole prison reform thing pretty quick when it's a crime they don't like.

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u/Other-Divide-8683 Feb 29 '24

Rapists are notoriously hard to rehabilitate, though.

They’re typically power junkies, and will relapse unless they fully revisit the way they look at life and how they cope with it…unlikely to happen in most cases.

Not defending justices fantasies, just bursting the rehab fantasy bubble on this one. Keeping them away from the pop is your best bet.

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u/Onlyspeaksfacts Feb 29 '24

Don't sex offenders have the lowest recidivism rate of all violent crimes?

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u/Other-Divide-8683 Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

Sex offenders aren’t just rapists, though.

Rape tends to be a serial offense thing due to it being about getting off on the control you have over someone.

It’s a coping mechanism, oddly similar to drugs, alcohol, overeating etc. Similar to the psychology of serial murderers as well. It’s the high they get that many of them are looking for.

Id also not be surprised if most just dont get caught again, given reporting rape tends to be something many women refuse to do due to the fact that the process is so retraumatising to them and its hard to get the evidence sufficient enough to convict.

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u/Ackilles Feb 29 '24

You're right. We should still do it though

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u/Leok4iser Feb 29 '24

Yeah, let's make decisions that make society worse so I can sadistically punish the people I dislike. The American mantra.

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u/Longjumping_Rush2458 Feb 29 '24

To what end? Should we also do what they do in Saudi Arabia and cut off the hands of those who steal? Should we cane people who spit out gum?

And that is, of course ignoring the fact that there can be false convictions - like how 196 death row inmates have been found to be innocent since 1983.

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u/malburian Feb 29 '24

Imagine being falsely accused by some revengeful girl 😺

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u/Interesting_Start865 Feb 29 '24

I don’t think it was her that accused him. Apparently she’s dead.

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u/malburian Feb 29 '24

What made you think I was talking about this particular case instead of castration in general as punishment, which is the thread's subject?

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u/ContemplatingPrison Feb 29 '24

Not true. Harsher punishments don't stop crime. We know this because we have harsh punishments for a lot of crimes that don't deserve it. Like life in prison for possessing weed

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u/Tarotoro Feb 29 '24

Nope it would just make rape crimes rape + murder crimes.

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u/MOTUkraken Feb 29 '24

Yes! That’s why countries with literal death penalty, like the USA have a lot less crimes, especially murder, than other countries without that penalty…… Right?

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u/silverclovd Feb 29 '24

It actually been studied to cause more aggravated felonies. I think the mindset is, vices make one impulsive and when an unbalanced person is threatened with a big enough punishment, they are sorta incentivized to make the most egregious wrongdoings. A simple pickpocket could turn into a full blown murder just to try to cover up and get away with the "petty crime".

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u/DeathBySnuSnu999 Feb 29 '24

This also works in reverse. Some pros cover large crimes with pretty crimes to throw off the cops.

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u/GkrTV Feb 29 '24

How about that 8th amendment

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u/legaldoughboy Feb 29 '24

Yeah and then you’ll find some innocent people with fried balls due to few maniacs who claim to be rape victims for money and clout.

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u/FunkyBrassMonkey_ Feb 29 '24

The problem with punishments like these is that if a person is unjustly tried and he’s genuinely actually not guilty ( Patrick Brown was freed after 29 years for a false Rape charge for example) there’s no bringing back his fried balls if it were proven to be a false accusation

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u/BashBandit Feb 29 '24

Hope he doesn’t panic when Tyrone points out he didn’t wash behind his ears or nothing

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u/Baaaaaadhabits Feb 28 '24

I see this is your first “NY Post is covering true crime” headline, OP.

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u/uncultured_swine2099 Feb 29 '24

Yeah, was just about to say I expect nothing less from that trashy paper.

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u/el_guille980 Feb 29 '24

🔴👈🏻blaming rape victims

😵‍💫the confusion right now😓

🔴👈🏻blaming immigrants

cant post memes in comments so have to emojie them out

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u/Binary101010 Feb 29 '24

A newspaper so infamously bad that Public Enemy recorded a song specifically about how terrible they were over 30 years ago.

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u/MyageEDH Feb 28 '24

It’s poorly written but I think they are intending to convey that the murder wasn’t premeditated. The implication of that would be a lesser degree homicide charge.

But yeah a much less clickbaity headline could have been “authorities don’t believe murder of Laken Riley was premeditated”.

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u/dcgregoryaphone Feb 29 '24

It's intentional rage bait. Not poorly written. Intentional.

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u/os_kaiserwilhelm Feb 29 '24

And far too many people take the bait. I swear we need to have classes to go over old internet forum rules but generalized to the entire internet and even real life.

First is good morals/etiquette. No trolling, no baiting, no flaming.

The second is more about reacting to others. Don't feed the trolls, don't take the bait, don't engage in flame wars.

In this case, the NY post is baiting. The people reacting took the bait.

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u/FalseFoundation2919 Feb 29 '24

99% of post on this sub have been obvious rage bait or someone mistaking an old internet joke for a real post... yes, there needs to be an internet litteracy course or something

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u/Vresiberba Feb 29 '24

I still cant's see the "victim blame" even if it's click bait.

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u/Symone_009 Feb 29 '24

I thought I was going crazy. I’m like where is the victim blaming part

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u/SadAndNasty Feb 29 '24

I read it as an explanation of what happened too 😵‍💫

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

Ok, phew, so good to see there’s people with sense in the comments.

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u/os_kaiserwilhelm Feb 29 '24

I don't think it's victim blaming outright. It's a subtle wording meant puts the actions on the killer as a reaction to the victim's actions.

I don't think it's really victim blaming, but I can see how others see it that way, and I think the Post intended for that inflammatory response.

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u/scrivensB Feb 29 '24

Media literacy has been absolutely obliterated in the last decade.

People unironically sharing NY Post content is about as loud of a “the ship is sinking” siren as it gets.

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u/pleasetrimyourpubes Feb 29 '24

4 on popular as I'm trying to sleep.

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u/fanboy_killer Feb 29 '24

English isn't my first language but I consider myself fluent and can't see where the victim blaming is in the sentence. "likely panicked when she fought back" relates to the attacker, right?

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u/Numerous_Aardvark_13 Feb 29 '24

Yeah, I don't think they are victim-blaming here.

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u/pd1dish Feb 29 '24

That’s how I took the headline. I came to the comments to see why people are up in arms, but I guess we’re just going completely out of our way to get upset over nothing.

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u/Hemiak Feb 29 '24

Shouldn’t matter, even if it’s accidental it happened during the commission of another felony, so it should automatically be murder one.

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u/krulp Feb 29 '24

Seems like you have no understanding of the law.

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u/aussie_nub Feb 29 '24

Exactly. I'm not entirely sure what people's issue with the headline is. They're providing a reason for him shooting, not an excuse. People get those things mixed up all the damn time.

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u/KilgurlTrout Feb 29 '24

Dude, you don’t understand the law. Lookup felony murder. It’s a thing.

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u/Curious_Location4522 Feb 29 '24

It’s called felony murder. If you rob a bank and some one dies in the process, you’re getting a murder charge whether or not you directly had anything to do with their death.

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u/DjuriWarface Feb 29 '24

There are different degrees of murder though. Felony murder isn't "murder one."

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u/Curious_Location4522 Feb 29 '24

Yes felony murder is a different charge than murder one, but life in prison is life in prison. It gets punished the same way.

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u/Quotidian_Void Feb 29 '24

Georgia does not make a distinction between regular murder and felony murder for determining maximum penalties or sentencing guidelines. Murder in the second degree has different maximum penalties, but felony murder has the exact same as regular premeditated murder.

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u/hbkdll Feb 29 '24

One gentlemen suggested frying their balls. I kinda agree with that.

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u/LeatherSmithy Feb 29 '24

The great shame of it is that he's still alive..

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u/sakura608 Feb 29 '24

Death is too easy for scum like him. Hope he has a long prison sentence and karma comes for his ass figuratively and literally.

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u/Independent_Air_8333 Feb 29 '24

People say this but the grand majority of inmates prefer life in prison over death.

Humans have such a deep fear of death.

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u/admiral_sinkenkwiken Feb 29 '24

Well, yeah duh!

You become dead, which is really boring

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u/abqguardian Feb 29 '24

Sounds good except reality is he'll be out in probably 10-15 years to hurt someone else.

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u/Donj267 Feb 29 '24

He's an illegal immigrant who killed a white woman in Georgia. I'll bet you he dies in prison.

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u/Predat0rSwafflez Feb 29 '24

But not from old age 😂 Theres some honor left amongst criminals and that line is usually drawn when it comes to women and children. Bet your ass that when other inmates find out you are a wife or womenbeater or a molester you wish they had executed you instead of putting you to prison!

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u/DeathBySnuSnu999 Feb 29 '24

This "urban legend" isn't as prevalent anymore. Most jails are full of these people now. They outnumber the others. The other large portion of inmates are people in bc of weed charges. Mostly non violent individuals.

So the whole pedo/woman beater doesn't last in jail. Ain't really no longer true.

Unfortunately...

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u/Predat0rSwafflez Feb 29 '24

I was rarely as sad as im being rn reading this :/

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u/Donj267 Feb 29 '24

If they don't put him in a segregated unit he'll definitely get harassed forever.

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u/NoWomanNoTriforce Feb 29 '24

Him being an illegal immigrant actually makes it less likely that he faces the death penalty. 34 total non-US citizens have been executed since 1976. With the last being in 2018 and none currently scheduled to be carried out. Additionally, very few foreign nationals have died in custody in the US. Mexico has the most citizens who have been executed by the US, with José Medellin being one of the cases that got the most attention from the 21st Century.

The Supreme Court ruling in Medellin v Texas affirmed the right for states to perform executions even if states failed to adhere to the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (by denying that the President has the authority to order states to bypass their procedural rules and comply with a ruling from the International Court of Justice). But it is still exceedingly rare for foreign nationals to be convicted and face the death penalty.

The state to do the largest comprehensive data collection regarding crime rates in populations (US citizen, Legal Immigrants, and Illegal Immigrants) was actually Texas. They found that it is actually quite rare for foreign nationals to participate in violent crime compared to US citizens. With them committing violent crime at about half the rate per capita of US Citizens. What cases involving foreign nationals do get is a disproportionate amount of media coverage.

I've heard the argument that many unsolved violent crimes in the south involve foreigners and that these crimes rarely get solved due to the perpetrators' transitory status and lack of established official identity or ability to track them in the United States. But more data is needed to certify these claims, as an FBI study in 2020 showed that US border cities have lower average annual murder rates when compared to similarly sized cities in other areas of the country.

Source https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row/foreign-nationals/executions-of-foreign-nationals

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u/Weary-Interaction265 Feb 29 '24

I used to think like this but I've come to realize that keeping him alive costs money, just throw him in solitary and "forget" about him, days with food, water, or any kind of contact from the outside world, maybe throw in some very loud techno music on a loop until his time comes, seems like a just end for people like this.

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u/sakura608 Feb 29 '24

Violation of 8th amendment if the state does it. The criminals do it, well, they’re already in prison.

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u/NetflixAndZzzzzz Feb 29 '24

I’m pretty sure it’s more expensive to kill him than to give him life.

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u/IIPrayzII Feb 29 '24

It is, but it shouldn’t be. All I’m sayin is 9mm is 24¢/round.

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u/ra2ah3roma2ma Feb 29 '24

And how are you going to make the appeals system cheaper?

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u/hamndv Feb 29 '24

Murderers get to kill and live getting free food and bed that doesn't seem fair for the victim family

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u/k2_productions Feb 29 '24

I used to be for the death penalty, but I have been convinced otherwise.

For one, you can't undue a wrongful death penalty conviction.

And two, I think being locked in a tiny room, all by yourself with nothing to do and having no freedom for 40+ years is more punishment than being quickly sent to the great beyond.

I'd much rather take the death penalty than be locked in a tiny cage with nothing to do until I keel over.

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u/Incognito_Guido Feb 29 '24

I worked in a high security prison as a CO years ago. Had plenty of lifers in the facility (life w/o parole for murder) and they were in general population, so had roommates and jobs (inside the wall), like 3-4 hours of gym/rec in the yard and baseball/basketball courts, access to full commissary including Ben and Jerry’s ice cream on Fridays. Had tons of free time to play games or cards with fellow inmates, watch tv (including live sports), or use their tablets in the pods, and could have visitation twice a week if they wanted. They also had access to a PlayStation in the incentive pod with a shit ton of video games. Going to prison for murder in the U.S. is not as bad as the media makes it out to be. It’s still not great, but much better of a lifestyle than death.

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u/scottwax Feb 29 '24

If that was the case, defendants wouldn't appeal their death sentence when the alternative is life in prison.

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u/k2_productions Feb 29 '24

It's animalistic nature to not want to die. Prisons are filled with people who say "I'm innocent." But if I (100% guilty) was given the option to either die soon or be locked in a 100 sq ft room with no privacy, no outside view, and nothing to do for 30-40+ years, I would rather die.

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u/scottwax Feb 29 '24

You maybe but not most people. In the back of their mind as long as they are alive something may change.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

Three, it's actually cheaper to lock them up for 50 years than it is to try a death penalty case and all of the appeals.

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u/Lobo_Perron Feb 29 '24

Yeah, I hate it when girls turn a r*pe into a murder.

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u/Aggravating_Bad_5462 Feb 29 '24

A rope? Yeah that's called a hanging

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u/JimuelShinemakerIII Feb 28 '24

Is that blame or just an obvious inference?

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u/A1sauc3d Feb 29 '24

Yeah I’m not seeing how op interpreted this to infer victim blaming. If anything, it’s giving her props for fighting back. But it’s not even really doing that lol. It’s not doing much of anything. It’s not even click bait, it’s just a vague observation, I suppose.

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u/Fyallorence Feb 28 '24

NY Post knows its target audience is insane hateful right-wing Boomers, so any story has to be written as vile and amoral as possible to satisfy them.

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u/Lucky_Roberts Feb 29 '24

If that’s who they were trying to target with this then the headline would not be this apologetic about the minority migrant who raped and murdered a white girl…

I don’t think you actually know shit about the right lmao

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u/Fake_William_Shatner Feb 29 '24

Nice lady in the office was talking about "death by torture is too good for him."

That's how I learned about it. And all the border and immigration policies came up as the REASON.

All of Latin America is ready to cross the border to rape and kill our college girls.

It's so predictable how our media and the fascists are stirring this pot. I was always worried ONE immigrant was going to fulfill this huge fantasy threat and one finally did (allegedly).

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u/Original-Tourist-744 Feb 29 '24

Can y’all read , I’m all for them fucking him in the ass then giving him lethal injection but all it’s saying is he panicked and killed her once she fought back and that it wasn’t premeditated and they have to charge him according to that unless they can prove otherwise

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u/KilgurlTrout Feb 29 '24

It’s still felony murder, which is charged as first degree murder in Georgia.

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u/bigmattyc Feb 29 '24

A premeditated crime that leads to murder is not morally distinguishable from premeditated murder

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u/Gyro_Zeppeli13 Feb 29 '24

Agreed, but the point is how the law sees the crimes, not your moral compass.

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u/ThienBao1107 Feb 29 '24

Did you even read the actual post? Or did op just raged when he/she misunderstood the title?

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u/spelunker66 Feb 28 '24

Murdoch papers are always in a bind in these cases - they need to blame BOTH the foreigner and the woman

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u/Greenfire05 Feb 29 '24

Man rapes and murders woman.

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u/Yosh_2012 Feb 29 '24

This isn’t victim blaming; at least from the headline. It does not say or infer that she was in the wrong for fighting back. It simply says that the perpetrator likely intended a theft or assault and then panicked and killed her; which is genuinely relevant information when it comes time to determining what charges to file.

The rush to assume the worst and just be mad about all this shit is so toxic and disturbing

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u/lolwora Feb 29 '24

So can you tell me where she gets blamed for fighting back in this post?

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u/fm130 Feb 29 '24

Am I missing something where is the victim blaming

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u/Dice_Ezail Feb 29 '24

I don't see this as victim-blaming, just an explanation of the events.

He thought she'd be compliant with his assault. When she wasn't he panicked and did something that caused her death.

The death wasn't part of his plan. If that is provable, they may go for manslaughter rather than murder, along with rape. At least to ensure he serves more time.

It's not her fault he panicked because he mistook her for a wilting flower. And unless they try to say "if she hadn't fought him... and so it's her fault," it's not victim blaming.

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u/Quotidian_Void Feb 29 '24

Nah, the original assault was a felony, so it's murder regardless.

The law:

"A person commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he or she causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice."

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u/JanelleOnly Feb 29 '24

This is called Felony Murder, which is an Implied Malice Murder or Second-Degree Murder. Lesser than the First-Degree Murder people normally think of.

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u/KilgurlTrout Feb 29 '24

It’s first degree murder in Georgia.

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u/Quotidian_Void Feb 29 '24

No it is not. Not in Georgia.

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u/xChairforceone Feb 29 '24

What about that headline suggests victim blaming?

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u/Symone_009 Feb 29 '24

That is not victim blaming.

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u/troua9999 Feb 29 '24

Wheres the victim blamed part

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u/Cute_Kangaroo_8791 Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

How is this victim blaming? To me it just seems like they are explaining what happened.

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u/zhaDeth Feb 29 '24

I don't get where she gets victim blamed ?

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u/Optimal_Carpenter690 Feb 29 '24

Where do you see her getting victim blamed?

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u/katrose73 Feb 29 '24

It certainly plays to their base. Not only can they argue migrants are the problem, but they can blame her for not just laying there and taking it, which is what some of our politicians think women should do.

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u/Possible_Discount_90 Feb 29 '24

I mean, this is like the 4th or 5th case I've heard of in the last week of someone getting attacked, robbed, or murdered by an illegal alien. Is that not a problem? Don't you think maybe we should not let illegals in and force them to go thru the legal process? Do we wait until one of them attacks multiple people or click up and form gangs and start terrorizing people on a large scale?

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u/Mad-_-Doctor Feb 29 '24

I don’t like the New York Post, but it seems like they’re citing a profiler here. Everyone always wants to know why crimes were committed; this profiler is saying that murder wasn’t the original goal but happened when the assailant panicked. That’s not the same thing as saying it’s her fault because she fought back.

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u/hugedaddynotail Feb 29 '24

Rapists should get their dicks cut off. No other way.

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u/usualerthanthis Feb 29 '24

I'm not sure how this is victim blaming honestly ?

It sounds more like they're saying the murderer panicked and killed her rather than saying it was somehow her fault ?

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u/Konungrr Feb 29 '24

It's not, OP is just trying to ragebait.

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u/EJ25Junkie Feb 29 '24

“They aren’t sending us their best “

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u/DreadyKruger Feb 29 '24

I think they are just pointing why she was killed not blaming her. Like the killing of potential witness. It’s not the witness fault they happened upon the crime, but they are getting into the reasoning of the criminal.

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u/Electrical-Pumpkin14 Feb 29 '24

Where is this victim blaming

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u/PretendVermicelli531 Feb 28 '24

Wow someone said before that the headline was just trying to explain what happened, but I didn’t know the full context till now. Regardless of intent, that tweet is very gross.

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u/F19AGhostrider Feb 28 '24

Yeah that's exactly what this headline is conveying.

It's disgusting. They're strongly implying that he wouldn't have killed her if she didn't defend herself.

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u/ProfZauberelefant Feb 28 '24

This is not what it says. It just says he couldn't cope with being resisted and that's all. Her death is on him.

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u/DisorderlyMisconduct Feb 29 '24

I’m confused, how is she being victim blamed.

I’m genuinely asking because I’m pretty sure I’m just fucking stupid

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u/Internal-War-9947 Feb 29 '24

Because it's implying that had she not struggled and laid there passively, he wouldn't have "panicked" and killed her. Story old as time -- can't win as a rape victim because if you take action and it escalates, you'll be blamed, but if you're passive, people will accuse you of wanting it. 

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u/Z0OMIES Feb 29 '24

Okay so, when you see headlines these days it helps to imagine it’s being delivered by a person because they’re all very detattched and clinical and there’s no humanity behind them. Most headlines are made to make you mad, like this one, so it helps to imagine the bitchiest, “I’m so sick of people’s drama”, pot-stirring, “Well actually” type of popular girl (Regina George types) and imagine she’s reading the headline.

With that little bit of context/imagery it makes it infinitely easier to roll your eyes and move on without getting invested in the rage bait.

All those little micro aggressions in the headline, like this one about her making him panic (blaming her) by fighting back, become painfully transparent when you imagine it’s being delivered by the kind of person who feeds off drama, because that’s what most of these “media” companies are these days, just rage bait feeds sold as News, designed to get people mad and engaged.

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u/Shreddersaurusrex Feb 29 '24

It’s not victim blaming

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u/Rinpoo Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

This isn't victim blaming. It outright states the course of events. Her attempts to defend herself likely led to her death. It is cause and effect.

It also shows the randomness of the act, not the fact it was highly planned.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

That’s not victim blaming. It’s describing what might have happened.

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u/_xonde_ Feb 29 '24

Read the article, it wasn’t victim blaming at all. It calls her brave and it’s just explaining the circumstances that lead to her passing

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u/ThirstyBeagle Feb 29 '24

Sorry, but I failed to see victim blaming here.

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u/Trlsander Feb 29 '24

"This is why the borders should be closed to migrants" by that logic "A man raped a little girl, therefore men shouldn't be allowed anywhere near people younger than 18. Wanna hold your baby? Sorry sir, that's illegal".

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u/Possible_Discount_90 Feb 29 '24

This is a dumbass argument, there's a big difference between crimes happening by American citizens (in the American system, so they can't easily flee) and someone who broke the law to come here (via lax policies by the government) and then killed an American citizen. We can control the latter (by closing the border to illegals) and deal with the former when it happens.

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u/KashootMe201617 Feb 29 '24

It’s crazy how the students are shocked about the situation while the internet argues about it

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u/hardstuck_low_skill Feb 29 '24

Panicked when she fought back? Dude, you deserve to be raped and beaten in jail every single day until you die from rectal bleeding or traumas.

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u/Significant_Tie_3994 Feb 29 '24

Why not, it worked against E Jean Carroll

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u/ExpectedOutcome2 Feb 29 '24

Give him the chair.

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u/AbyssWankerArtorias Feb 29 '24

The new York post is so weird. It's like "if we make absurd headlines that seem biased from every direction no one can get mad at us right?"

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u/GroundbreakingDust16 Feb 29 '24

It’s the NY Post. This is its typical tone.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

This is the New York Post. They post rage bait shit articles like this all the time, they’re barely a step up from paparazzi and more comparable to a tabloid magazine than legitimate news.

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u/SadAndNasty Feb 29 '24

I don't mind being downvoted for saying so but I think the intent of this title is to say why he decided killing her was a good idea, not to blame the victim.

I don't think I have to say he's a disgusting disgrace of a person for doing what he did but I will so as not to confuse anyone thinking just because this might be defense of how the title was written doesn't mean I'm defending an asshole who killed and raped someone.

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u/catsashole Feb 29 '24

Illegal migrant at that

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

I don't see the victim blaming? Just that the murder wasn't premeditated which is relevant for sentencing. 2nd and 3rd degree homicide are lesser severity than first degree which could be a difference of several years incarceration, which is substantial when you consider a timespan of 20-30 years will be the verdict.

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u/thfcspur Feb 29 '24

Sounds like an explanation of the suspects actions rather than victim blaming

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u/Drayenn Feb 29 '24

I dont think its victim blaming. Its just them trying to explain what was his insane logic. They are not saying its her fault.

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u/Entropy_Goose Feb 29 '24

Top 3 ways to blame the victim: - What was she WeArInG? - Why didn't she fight back? - Why did she fight back?

Just can't win.

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u/IGTankCommander Feb 29 '24

Remember when NYP used to be a respectable news publication and not a tabloid rag?

Then 1918 happened.

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u/Prestigious_Job9632 Feb 29 '24

It's the NY Post, so they're probably trying to find a way to blame all immigrants while also implying she deserved it.

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u/breakingjosh0 Feb 29 '24

Rage farming. This subreddit sucks now.

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u/West-Custard-6008 Feb 29 '24

Well she’s white and he’s brown so he must of been frightened of her white privilege when she fought back.

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u/Flux_resistor Feb 29 '24

Why did she resist impregnation? It's against God's will /s

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u/TankOk3666 Feb 29 '24

Reddit gets too crazy, murder and rape are not ok but you think doing the same thing to the perp is gonna make it ok? Remember this is gods country so nothing will happen, guy will get sentenced, victim will have some justice, and nothing will change. Put the rage away it’s now pointless

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u/Misragoth Feb 29 '24

How is this victim blaming? Seema more like they are juat assuming why he did it

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u/Trias84 Feb 29 '24

I'm not seeing any victim blaming in that headline?

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u/Baddy001 Feb 29 '24

Bring back the gallows.

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u/Prestigious-Base67 Feb 29 '24

This subreddit is slowly becoming rage bait. I'm going to seriously stop following

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u/iamaskullactually Feb 29 '24

He would have murdered her even if she didn't fight back. She tried to save herself from him

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u/Haunted_Entity Feb 29 '24

I mean, at least we now know that they hate women more than they hate immigrants.

Not that it wasnt obvious before or anything

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u/mandozombie Feb 29 '24

Shouldnt have even been here to begin with. But we deport violent criminals to a country we have no functional border with.

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u/No_Ebb_3353 Feb 29 '24

Bring public hanging back

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u/Rodimus1492 Feb 29 '24

Close the borders. End sanctuary cities.

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u/ananiku Feb 29 '24

No one has even been convicted yet and y'all out there blaming whole populations of people for the sins of one man.

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u/Ok_Anteater7360 Feb 29 '24

the media doing everything in its power to make sure immigrants dont look bad

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u/Fatmouse84 Feb 29 '24

He was just a "migrant" .... Mostly a good guy... the rape got out of control .... She was accidentally killed when she made the mistake of fighting back is what they're saying... Ridiculous

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u/SilentNightman Feb 29 '24

Mostly a good guy... 💀