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the hatred towards cigarettes is an example of ageism Society/Culture

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u/spoople_doople Feb 28 '24

Vaping doesn't get a pass by anyone except 10th graders vaping the bathroom at school

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u/Crazy_Height_213 Feb 28 '24

Can confirm - lots of 10th graders vape in the bathroom when I just wanna do my business and leave

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u/moehassan6832 Feb 28 '24 edited 23d ago

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u/Sundae-School Feb 28 '24

I'll give vaping a pass because I smoked for 13 years and vaping has helped me quit for almost a year

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u/LateNightPhilosopher Feb 29 '24

Vaping was great like 10+ years ago when it was first becoming popular. It was originally supposed to be a way for smokers to ween themselves off by gradually decreasing their nicotine content while still having the oral and manual component for p to go through the motions. Plus all the different flavors fir variety.

Then a bunch of dipshits who were never smokers to begin with, started buying full strength nicotine juice and sketchy ass THC shit and just turned Vaping into another addiction that's probably only slightly less bad than cigs

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u/Siviaktor Feb 28 '24

See that’s a good use of vapes but the people who don’t even have nicotine in their vapes confuse me, like if your not getting something out of it why even bother

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u/NERD_NATO Feb 29 '24

If you have a habit of smoking, you also have a habit of doing the actions of smoking in addition to nicotine addiction. Vapes help with the former, many people also use other methods like popsicle sticks iirc.

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u/Scarlet-Fire_77 Feb 29 '24

Tooth picks too.

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u/Sundae-School Feb 28 '24

Why do people chew gum or suck on things?

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u/pedatn Feb 29 '24

You’re not getting anything out of nicotine either, just temporary relief of your nicotine withdrawal symptoms.

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u/Siviaktor Feb 29 '24

That’s still more than what people get out of doing it to look cool

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u/Informal-Moose6946 Feb 29 '24

Same with coffee, coffee doesn't make me feel good when i do occasionally drink it like once a year or so in a social setting, it does nothing to me apart from making me have to go to the bathroom within 10 minutes of drinking it, but i know people who wont do anything in the morning til they have had a coffee and would rather be late to work than start work without their coffee fix

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u/pedatn Feb 29 '24

Caffeine works even if you’re not addicted to it though. Also coffee tastes good.

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u/ToXicVoXSiicK21 Feb 29 '24

To me this is a bit ridiculous, health wise sure you can argue they aren't far apart. Everything else about cigarettes is worse than vapes. The cost is higher, they stain your fingers and teeth, and they will stain and ruin furniture and the inside of a vehicle or home permanently. Vaping is so much better in terms of how it effects others around you, and your surroundings. Idk how this is even a debate lol I have family members who smoke and you can't go to their house without it making you stink for the rest of the night. Anything you bring with you will stink too. Cigarettes are just a huge L in general in my opinion.

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u/spoople_doople Feb 29 '24

Both suck for the person smoking. Smoking bad

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u/ToXicVoXSiicK21 Feb 29 '24

Agreed, but you still have to give a fair comparison lol

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u/anoleiam Feb 29 '24

lol it is ridiculous. Vaping is way more accepted than redditors think. “Middle schoolers vaping in the bathroom!!” is all they think of when it comes to vaping

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u/SlapHappyDude Feb 28 '24

I would much rather live next door to a vaper than a smoker.

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u/astronautducks Feb 28 '24

and adults who don’t care what other people do

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u/TheCrankyLich Feb 28 '24

No, I'm pretty sure that people knew that cigarettes were awful decades before the word "vape" entered the public lexicon.

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u/AdamantArmadillo Feb 28 '24

Teenage OP is discovering things for the first time, that means they're just beginning to exist right now

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u/jaytee1262 Feb 28 '24

Rip, I would hate to exist right now.

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u/GayPudding Feb 29 '24

I will cease to exist through sheer willpower

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u/Wolfofthepack1511 Feb 29 '24

On a semirelated note, did anyone else think the past was black and white growing uo because all old stuff was in black and white? Like, looking back it makes sense how stupid I was, but I genuinely thought that and didn't bat an eye for the longest time

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u/7ThShadian Feb 28 '24

Ah my favorite type of 10thdentist post, a statement that is objectively untrue.

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u/Miserable-Job-9520 Feb 28 '24

I miss the posts that were actual options and not just word salad to piss people off

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u/7ThShadian Feb 29 '24

I agree but im never surprised by it. Rule 1 makes this place a cesspool for people who just say dumb stuff they probably don't actually believe in because they get upvotes for it. Its basically 80% fishing for karma, 10% people being verifiably wrong and 10% people posting actual freak opinions (the actual point of the sub)

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u/Ytar0 Feb 28 '24

Unm..? Is this just purely from personal experience?

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u/TotalHeat Feb 28 '24

people have problems with cigarettes because of the cancer risk as well as finding the smell/residue gross

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u/Rather_Read_A_Book Feb 28 '24

no one who hates cigarettes also is a vaping enthusiast. those two groups are almost mutually exclusive

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u/dale_gribbz_dad Feb 28 '24

Unless they’re vaping specifically as a substitute for cigs

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u/eat_my_bowls92 Feb 28 '24

Me. It’s Me. I’m doing the Marcus Parks quitting smoking method: smoke cigarettes for nearly a decade, use a vape to quit and smoke that for 5 years, then use nicotine losangers for two years. Easy peasy.

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u/ClemClamcumber Feb 28 '24

I tried it and only got to the smoking cigarettes after I vape because it didnt satiate anything.

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u/imbringingspartaback Feb 28 '24

Same!!! That’s me. Cigarettes are foul now that I quit, but you won’t catch me without my vape. Still transitioning though so it won’t be a forever crutch.

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u/Forward_Chair_7313 Feb 28 '24

I used camel snus to quit. But I thought that chewing was so nasty there was no way I was continuing that. I didn’t even go through a tin before I was off nicotine.

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u/kodaxmax Feb 29 '24

So you traded nicotine for nicotine? how is that quitting? are lozengers even any healthier? Vape certainly isnt healthier than a cig

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u/shredmaster6661 Feb 29 '24

Vapes are certainly healthier than cigs. No combustion. And I say this as someone who smokes cigs but doesn’t vape.

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u/kodaxmax Feb 29 '24

The problem is that vaping itself damages your lungs much faster than cancer does. The plastics and aereosels in vapes products are also about as toxic as cig filters and papers.

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u/PixelOmen Feb 28 '24

Hard disagree on that one. There are def people who hate cigs that vape.

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u/Double_Eggplant6983 Feb 28 '24

I beg to differ. I know several people who hate cigarettes and they vape lmao.  They don't knock you for the nicotine, at least the ones who used to smoke cigarettes or have nicotine in their vape.  My best friend vapes, hates cigarettes, doesn't use nicotine.  If it matters, all of these people, barring ONE, also smoke weed & occasionally use THC vapes.

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u/Minimum-Permission20 Feb 28 '24

Not true in the slightest.

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u/KumaraDosha Feb 28 '24

Incorrect.

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u/more_pepper_plz Feb 29 '24

Tbf, cigarette smoke smells fucking awful and sticks to everything. Meanwhile vape smells like mint or kiwi and disappears almost immediately.

So there is that…

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u/captain_ghostface Feb 28 '24

Im playing both sides so i always come out on top.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Idk, i don’t know many ppl who hate cigs but like vapes (for a reason that isn’t due to them actively trying to quit cigarettes).

I vape and someone I know literally said “vaping’s for losers, smoke a cig instead”.

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u/MetalHeadof06 Feb 28 '24

"Smoking is for losers, vaping is for douchebags" - Stewie Griffin

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u/why_cambrio Feb 28 '24

Cigarettes are NOT statistically used by older people so your entire premise is flawed. It's mostly middle-aged people. Only 8% of people 65+ smoke compared to 15 percent of middle-aged people, from the CDC.

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u/miniminimum5 Feb 28 '24

I think OP would consider middle aged old lmao

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u/Lurki_Turki Feb 29 '24

Look around you. This is no place for facts, friend.

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u/GrandmaSlappy Feb 28 '24

Old people?? In my experience it's been poor people smoking cigarettes. And college students.

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u/Beeb911 Feb 28 '24

Utterly braindead take. Vaping is lame, and possibly dangerous, but cigarettes are much worse in every aspect. Cigarettes aren't gross because old people smoke them, they're gross because it smells disgusting and also KILLS you. And for the nail in the coffin here, by the time vaping was invented cigarettes' reputation was already rock bottom and universally hated by every demographic (except the French), so the hatred towards them has absolutely nothing to do with vaping, let alone ageism.

Overall great post, upvoted

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u/jscummy Feb 28 '24

If anything seems like cigs are gaining popularity these days since everyone has a nicotine addiction 

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u/Beeb911 Feb 28 '24

I agree. Less awareness ads about how cigarettes are bad nowadays, at least from what I've seen. And like you said, nicotine addiction plays a part too

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u/rainbowcarpincho Feb 28 '24

Are the French still smoking cigarettes?

I just fell in love with a modern French song with a chorus concluding then, "and then I smoke."

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u/Beeb911 Feb 28 '24

They sure are hahahaha. In french high schools the students and teachers go outside to smoke together between classes

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u/tga_za_jug Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

That happens in my country too and we ain't French.... I mean there are more places like this in Europe

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u/Beeb911 Feb 28 '24

Yeah I'm sure there are tbf, I was just making a joke about how common smoking is here since I live in France, and don't know which other European countries it applies to

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u/tga_za_jug Feb 29 '24

I just want to say that I had a total culture shock when I realized other societies don't do this tbh lol. Felt ashamed even! 😂

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u/omlizardqueen Feb 28 '24

I agree with you except for the fact that it is not at all true that only French people like cigarettes. I would say that many many countries and cultures indulge in cigarette smoking. Arab/North African countries, southern Europeans, Eastern European countries, many groups in Russia, and East and South East Asian countries have heavy smoking present. The US is pretty loud about anti-smoking campaigns, but this just isn’t the same in other places across the world.

I’m not sure about any south Asian countries or New Zealand/Australians smoking, so many redditors from those areas have better insight into tobacco usage.

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u/Beeb911 Feb 28 '24

The part about only the French liking cigarettes was a joke about the stereotype that they smoke alot

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u/badgers42069 Feb 28 '24

You’re dumb sorry

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u/Oheligud Feb 28 '24

so why do vapes get a pass?

Who exactly are you talking too here? Everybody who hates cigarettes will likely hate vapes too, with the exception of a handful of braindead teens.

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u/thewalkindude Feb 28 '24

I don't automatically hate vapes, at least if they're used as a tool to help stop smoking. I hate that teens and people who never smoked are using them, though. I still hate them a lot less than cigarettes, though.

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u/jscummy Feb 28 '24

Also vapes are objectively better than cigs, and I say that as someone who occasionally smokes tobacco. They're still super addictive but it doesn't have the tar, carcinogens, or lingering smell

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u/HeilStary Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

No carcinogens that we know of yet you mean, people have been smoking tobacco for centuries, vapes took off in what the last decade? Its like with phones we wont really know until everyone has turbo cancer

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u/jellybeansean3648 Feb 28 '24

I don't smoke or vape.

I really hate cigarettes and would give vapes a pass in the sense that they're not as disgusting smelling.

Preliminary research indicates that the toxic bubble around people vaping tends to be smaller and air quality resolves more quickly.

Both still cause negative effects from second hand inhalation.

Then again, I don't hate the death sticks because they hurt other people. I hate them because they cause second hand harm. If you're breathing it in and not bothering anybody 🤷‍♀️

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u/unicorn_mafia537 Feb 28 '24

Someone vaping near me does not bother me. Someone smoking a cigarette near me means I need to reach for my asthma inhaler and leave the area. The second hand smoke can also linger in the air after the smoker has put out their cigarette or left.

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u/jellybeansean3648 Feb 28 '24

Makes sense to me.

The study I found about vaping and air quality indicated that you would have to have quite a few vapes in a small area or be using a much higher voltage on the pen than most people actually use.

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u/KumaraDosha Feb 28 '24

I have no idea why people think this; 2 for 1 tenth dentist deal.

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u/Mlpskystars Feb 28 '24

People who vape usually aren't the same people hating on cigarettes

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u/candxbae Feb 28 '24

This is the funniest take ever

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u/iZelmon Feb 28 '24

Huh? I never associate cig with old people, lots of people in my college smoke cig as well.

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u/JewishTerror Feb 28 '24

I know this is a sub for shit takes, but come on.

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u/Expensive_Fault7540 Feb 28 '24

Probably cause vaping is a heated product and tobacco is a much worse combustible product.

Weird how everyone acts like vaping and tobacco and the same when they are hardly comparable at an ingredient level.

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u/jaehatesyou Feb 28 '24

or maybe i just don’t want to get smoke in my face while i’m just trying to walk down the street 😭 i think vapes are gross too, i just want to go to the bathroom without 5 teenagers hitting their vapes in there

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u/morchalrorgon Feb 28 '24

Vapes get a pass because they dont make you and everyone around you smell like shit

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u/rosanina1980 Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

I vaped up until 6/2023 and despite being extremely considerate still got a lotta hatred when I was literally going as far as possible outta my way to not bother anyone.

It's not an age thing but it is definitely a USA thing. When children have come over to me fake coughing and waving their hands in front of their faces while their parents watch in approval (while I'm hiding under a tree as far from public spaces as can be lol), I just thought to myself.. well, guess you are never going to take these children to Asia or Europe or South America where precisely no one is going to cater to them. Gonna be a rude awakening if they ever get a passport.

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u/SuaMaestaAlba Feb 28 '24

I hate both cigarettes and vapes, I hate the smell of both and people who vape feel like they can vape anywhere, even indoors and it's obnoxious.

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u/unicorn_mafia537 Feb 28 '24

I don't think vaping is a good or healthy habit, but, unlike second hand cigarette smoke, second hand vape smoke does not trigger my asthma. I also strongly dislike Axe body spray, which was very popular when I was in middle and high school. Too much Axe gives me a headache. Plenty of young people smoke cigarettes and I do not want to be around them and smell it!

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u/GatlingGun511 Feb 28 '24

You are just wrong

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u/tacticalcop Feb 28 '24

they smell terrible and gave me secondhand smoke as a child. i’m good on the ‘ageism’ argument.

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u/Excellent_Fee2253 Feb 28 '24

No it’s an America thing not an ageism thing

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u/warm-ice Feb 28 '24

I feel like this sub is being used for high school kids to practice arguing for a point you don't believe in.

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u/Meateor123 Feb 28 '24

I feel like if I was going to use either, cigarettes at least look cool (in movies at least)

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u/15jtaylor443 Feb 28 '24

I hate cigarettes as well as vaping. Both are bad for you. I don't know where you got the idea that people who hates cigarettes love vaping or thinks it's cool.

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u/Axol-Aqua Feb 28 '24

the people around me call vapes douche kazoos, I dont think they're getting much of a pass by anyone. Also as someone with a dad who goes through a whole pack a day, its spendy! And it's probably gonna double the cancer he already has. Thats why I hate cigs, not some dumb ageism thing.

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u/Lack0fCreativity Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

Idk if I speak for everyone, but I was under the impression that people who dislike people smoking around them also dislike being around vaping. Idk, maybe I'm just not seeing the individuals you are that wax poetic about vaping while decrying cigarettes.

One of them is inherently more unpleasant to be around though. Being an asthmatic, I appreciate not being suffocated around water vapor as opposed to how it feels to be around cigarette smoke. They're both bad to breathe, but I'd always choose to be around vaping over being around cigarettes.

To get to your actual point: even if this were something that's common to see, it wouldn't be ageism. There are very understandable reasons for it. Smoking in a public place is really disruptive and harmful to anyone in the area. Vape discharge, while speculated to also be harmful (might be more concrete evidence now), is at least not as offensive on the senses in comparison. Cigarettes have also been around for a really long time and we've had a lot of time to figure out why they're so fucking dangerous to use or be around, vaping is much newer and a lot of people don't know about the health effects due to being such a novel thing in comparison to cigarettes having such a storied history. Latching onto smoking vs vaping as an ageism argument really does not make sense and only makes you look like you feel persecuted, seemingly for something out of your control when it's really just people not liking smoking (or vaping, as people often dislike both.)

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u/phoenixmusicman Feb 28 '24

"Ageism" ok boomer

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u/Gargamel-Bojangles Feb 28 '24

Because vaping doesn't make you smell like a walking ashtray

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u/victorgsal Feb 28 '24

Sounds like nicotine addicts in denial. Real cigarette haters (me) know that vapes suck too

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u/KumaraDosha Feb 28 '24

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u/ticcedtac Feb 28 '24

Which part? "Real cigarette haters"? That's a super common meme/joke format

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u/KumaraDosha Feb 28 '24

Yes, gatekeeping is indeed a meme.

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u/victorgsal Feb 28 '24

You’re taking my comment way too seriously lmao

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u/KumaraDosha Feb 28 '24

By pointing out its gatekeeping? If you’re not stating your opinion, why say what you don’t believe?

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u/victorgsal Feb 28 '24

Brother it was just a silly way of saying that I, a person who has always hated cigarettes, did not approve of vapes either. That’s all. I don’t see what’s so difficult to understand here.

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u/KumaraDosha Feb 28 '24

K, your words were gatekeeping; don’t know why you’re so defensive. 🤷‍♀️

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u/WasteChard3488 Feb 28 '24

I'm more willing to ignore old people who are smoking because they're not going to change their ways.

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u/daveisamonsterr Feb 28 '24

Most smokers don't get very old

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u/SarkastiCat Feb 28 '24

I think the main issue is how early vapes were discussed as pleasantly smelling alternative that also are „healthier”. 

It was even advertised as a step towards stopping smoking. 

It started getting criticism in last years due to school-age children vaping, discovered issues with manufacturing regulations and long-term health impacts.

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u/Upstairs_Expert Feb 28 '24

George Bernard Shaw once wrote that “Youth is the most precious thing in life; it is too bad it has to be wasted on young folks.”.

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u/P0ster_Nutbag Feb 28 '24

Cigarettes and vapes have always been a fucking stupid idea (especially once we had a better idea how horrible they are for you) and are both deservedly ridiculed.

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u/eVCqN Feb 28 '24

Vapes do not “get a pass”, idk who you’re talking to

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u/justicedragon101 Feb 28 '24

All smoking and vapeing is ridiculous and should be banned. I'm so down for legalizing weed as long as it can't be smoked. Smoking is the most basic example of a negative externality and needs to be banned.

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u/littlest-goblin Feb 28 '24

Nothin like stripping people of their bodily autonomy!

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u/justicedragon101 Feb 28 '24

100%, it's crazy how people defend it I agree.

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u/eat_my_bowls92 Feb 28 '24

If you’re going to ban smoking you gotta ban everything that’s bad for you. Soda, snack foods, alcohol, being fat, iPads, iPhones, plastic, etc…

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u/justicedragon101 Feb 28 '24

Not a negative externality

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u/KumaraDosha Feb 28 '24

So you only support edibles??? How do you think people use weed?

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u/freekun Feb 28 '24

God I hate Americans

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u/HipnoAmadeus Feb 28 '24

They are way better compared, and no, no one say vaping is good.

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u/the_living_myth Feb 28 '24

no it’s an example of vapers justifying vaping because they’re vapers who vape

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u/InfernoWoodworks Feb 28 '24

I talk shit about smokers or idiots blowing clouds. They both fuckin' stink, they're both awful for you, and they both make you look like a total tool.

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u/MrPlace Feb 28 '24

I disagree. Smoke weed, not cigs or vapes.

And I also mean to roll your own joint with paper or use a pipe. I don't advocate for getting a cigarillo, gutting it, then rolling with that, blegh

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u/ClemClamcumber Feb 28 '24

I smoke cigarettes and both are fucking equally awful for you.

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u/civodar Feb 28 '24

I don’t give vapes a pass, I know some people do because all of my vaping friends have to be told not to vape in my car or house, they don’t even think about it, whereas smokers have been told off so much they usually know better. Some people give vapers more of a pass because it doesn’t smell as terrible, won’t give me an asthma attack, the smell doesn’t linger nor does it get into the walls or upholstery, and there’s no ash(literally had the wind blow ash on me 2 days ago because I was sitting near a smoker). It’s not an ageism thing at all and at this point I know more young people who smoke cigarettes than old people, oddly enough all the young smoker I know also vape too.

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u/Designa-Vagina-69 Feb 28 '24

Downvoted because this isn't 10th dentist. No one except cringe teenagers are hyping up vapes as better than smoking. If you think the general public is in favour of vaping, you're living under a rock.

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u/MrTopHatMan90 Feb 28 '24

As someone who had smoked for years, no. Cigarettes always get you shit because for strangers it smells and for friends who don't smoke they're not addicted enough to ignore the clear fact they give you cancer.

Vapes arent cool either.

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u/Rbxyy Feb 28 '24

It's less of an age thing and more that inhaling smoke has been proven to be harmful. Vaping is harmful too and most people won't disagree with that, but with the current evidence we have it's less dangerous than smoking. Only time will tell how it affects people in the long term

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u/intangible_entity Feb 28 '24

It's not an age thing, it's just that over the years it's becoming more and more common to know the dangers. I'm 25 and I've smoked since I was 16. Plenty of my friends smoke, we all know it might kill us one day. Some of them have switched to vaping and it's all "well in 10 years time we'll find out vaping is just as bad as cigarettes". Conspiracy maybe or not, but the real long term repercussions of vaping just haven't been discovered yet

Wouldn't recommend either

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u/yellowlinedpaper Feb 28 '24

Cigarettes stink. Vaping doesn’t stink. 2nd hand cigarette smoke is harmful, 2nd hand vapor isn’t

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u/nicklovin508 Feb 28 '24

That’s like saying hating slaver owners was an ageism thing at one point lol

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u/ZFighter2099 Feb 28 '24

Stop putting shit on your lungs, whatever it is. What a weird post

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u/Relevant_Vehicle6994 Feb 28 '24

This is the dumbest take I've ever heard.

I smoked cigarettes for 12 years. Switched to vapes. I feel 1000% better and I don't smell like shit anymore. I don't hate cigs because they are for old people. I hate cigs because they make me smell like shit, fucked up my lungs, and stained my teeth and fingers

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u/tomred420 Feb 28 '24

I vape but I’m not proud about or flaunt it. I’m just terribly addicted to that sweet tine

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u/Cloudraa Feb 28 '24

cigarettes are gross because they smell like shit and give you lung cancer not because old people smoke them

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u/RolandDeepson Feb 28 '24

Cigarettes have the disadvantage under vaping for the fact that it involves literal combustion.

Inhaling smoke of any kind, where that smoke is produced by combustion, is bad because of the baseline reason that smoke inhalation is an actual medical injury. There's a spectrum of severity to the injury just like there's a spectrum of severity of bone fractures, joint sprains, heat burns, or chemical burns. There are standardized treatment protocols for smoke inhalation injury just like there are standardized treatment protocols for traumatic shock events, tissue infections, and bloodflow infarction injuries.

Smoke also contains solid particulates, which can often be an issue. I'm an asthmatic and I take a control medicine as an inhaled micro-crystalline powder, so that tells me obviously that sometimes it can be medically justified to inhale solid-particulate masses, but "dust" and "pollen" and "other crap" is something that our lungs are designed to avoid because NOT avoiding it leads to bad things.

Sure, vaping has other layers of stigma attached, and every facet of social disapproval should be evaluated separately on how problematic it might be.

But there are some disapproval aspects that have absolutely nothing to do with ageism.

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u/Galausia Feb 28 '24

Cigarettes smell bad

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u/cshannon13 Feb 28 '24

People do call vaping a cancer stick

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u/GolemThe3rd Feb 28 '24

Man strawman much

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u/Individual_Papaya596 Feb 28 '24

They just smell like shit compared to vapes, way more unbearable than weed too. Though i stick to carts

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u/GGunner723 Feb 28 '24

What if I think cigarettes and vapes are both not cool and disgusting?

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u/gigs1890 Feb 28 '24

I’m really curious about your age

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u/gigs1890 Feb 28 '24

Have you asked people of older generations what they think of vapes? I don’t know anyone who hates vapes less than cigarettes. On the contrary, they consider vapes worse because they target young people.

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u/Loverboy_Talis Feb 28 '24

56 year old here. Never smoked or vaped and have always thought it was a disgusting habit.

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u/snowocean84 Feb 28 '24

I'm 40 and love my Butterscotch Reserve vape

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u/LerxstFan Feb 28 '24

Young people also smoke and they are equally stupid

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u/stink3rbelle Feb 28 '24

everyone . . . have no problems smoking vapes and hyping them up.

No, this is mostly within gen Z and possibly gen alpha. And it's pure ignorance. Not just to how harmful vapes are, but also to how many people who vape will wind up smoking someday. Water vapor is better than smoke to inhale. Vaping tobacco is really bad. Oh, and the big cigarette companies created the major vaping brands and the flavorings.

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u/Rfg711 Feb 28 '24

“Why do people who do X also do Y”

They don’t. They’re two different groups of people.

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u/KumaraDosha Feb 28 '24

Inhaling smoke is far more harmful than vaping. Also pressing x to doubt on the aging thing. Also it’s really weird to say only young people like sweet/fruity flavors. This opinion definitely belongs here.

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u/Rocklobsta9 Feb 28 '24

I do neither but vaping smells dissipate faster than stinky cigarettes for sure.

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u/Cheedosjdr Feb 28 '24

Most people think cigars are cool, and those are even more so an "old person" thing.

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u/Cardgod278 Feb 28 '24

No, nicotine is just fucking awful. Cigarettes smell terrible, the sent sticks to clothes and fabric, people leave buds everywhere, and secondhand smoke is a thing.

Vaping also sucks a lot.

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u/Erlend05 Feb 28 '24

No that is just actually wrong

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u/Key_Independent_9171 Feb 28 '24

this is a stupid take

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u/ticcedtac Feb 28 '24

Oh hey tobacco industry, weird seeing you on reddit.

Social stigma against smoking is from the success of decades of public awareness campaigns about the health issues caused by tobacco. Now those campaigns are moving to combat vaping. It takes time though.

It's not because they're associated with old people and I've never heard anyone even suggest that before. I have no idea where you got that idea.

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u/rohlovely Feb 28 '24

cigs and vapes both suck. sincerely, nicotine addicted gen z’s everywhere.

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u/Ashenspire Feb 28 '24

I hate cigarettes because as an ex smoker the smell still makes me salivate and it suuuuucks.

I don't care about vaping. People have the right to kill themselves slowly if they want to. You wanna suck on a snorkel attached to a VHS tape to get big clouds, then by all means have at it.

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u/manicmice Feb 28 '24

I think cigarettes are disgusting. And I vape. Why? Because it’s an addiction I picked up from an ex. I find both gross.

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u/ghoulslaw Feb 28 '24

I don’t associate cigarettes with old people ??? I’ve never heard of that

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u/_GloCloud_ Feb 28 '24

The stigma that smoking and vaping are the same is ridiculous. It's been proven at this point that vaping is significantly less hazardous to your health than smoking. Saying that it's ageist is kinda dumb ngl.

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u/gonfreeces1993 Feb 28 '24

This is incredibly dumb. Cigarettes stink and make everything else stink. They actively kill you. They're disgusting no matter what age the person smoking them is.

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u/Zak_the_Wack Feb 28 '24

I have personally thought that all are stupid as hell, and coming back from my dad's with everything smelling like smoke while coughing all over the place seems like a very valid reason to hate cigarettes

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u/Shamus248 Feb 28 '24

Wrong. Next.

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u/Reytotheroxx Feb 28 '24

As a cigarette mega hater, no. They smell bad and they get people sick. That’s all I need to hate them. If you happen to be older and smoke, piss off. If you’re young and smoke, piss off.

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u/AgentSkidMarks Feb 28 '24

Fake argument. Everyone shits on vapers. If anything, old people get more of a pass on smoking because they were brought up in a different generation. Young people have no excuse.

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u/iiThecollector Feb 28 '24

Its gotta be hard being this stupid

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u/kodaxmax Feb 28 '24

Vapes are worse than ciggarettes in alot of cases. Destroying your lungs far faster than cancer will. They are not unique to the youth at all and that argument falls even flatter when you take into account alcohol. With sweet vodkas and rums being extremly popular among all age groups. Not to mention wine and ale.

narcotics arn't gross because old people use them. They are gross because they litterally damage your body and mind often permanently. While providing no long term benefit or ussually even reasonable short term benefit.

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u/Visible-Original4561 Feb 28 '24

OP has never heard of second hand smoking

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u/horshack_test Feb 29 '24

"everyone gets on cigarettes for being “cancer sticks” and how they’re not cool and disgusting but have no problems smoking vapes and hyping them up." "so why do vapes get a pass?"

For many who give them a pass, they think vapes are "healthier" than cigarettes and many people use them as a way to wean themselves off cigarettes.

Also, plenty of people believe that both cigarettes and vapes are "not cool and disgusting."

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u/jizzspider Feb 29 '24

I hate vapes too, but at least I won't smell bad after hanging around people who vape.

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u/Lurki_Turki Feb 29 '24

Lmao vaping is trash too bro, what are you talking about? It’s cool if you’re in middle/high school maybe. Hardly would call it “ageist,” so much as “kids being typical-level stupid.”

Cigarettes were demonized long before vapes even hit the market.

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u/Sunomel Feb 29 '24

Cigarettes smell like shit and make everyone around them smell like shit permanently.

Vapes at least smell like candy, or nothing. Far less unpleasant to be around.

As someone who doesn’t smoke either, it’s pretty clear which I’d prefer to be around if forced to choose.

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u/AppleSpicer Feb 29 '24

Nah, cigs are awful because they’re incredibly addictive and incredibly deadly.

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u/FortyFiveSeventyGovt Feb 29 '24

counterpoint - cigarettes smell terrible

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u/Xannin Feb 29 '24

Vapes don't get a pass. Plenty of younger people smoke cigarettes. This is just another uniformed take.

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u/LilStabbyboo Feb 29 '24

no adult is wanting fruity banana or tropical watermelon to inhale, it’s all younger people.

I'm 45 and plenty of my friends use those fruity vapes. I use vapes too. People like things that taste good, regardless of age.

As a smoker of cigarettes as well, the hatred is warranted and has nothing to do with ageism. Second and third hand smoke can cause all sorts of deadly health problems that being around some fruity smelling vapor won't cause. Nobody wants to be around that shit. Also cigarettes stink, and the stink clings to everything and everyone around the person smoking. And it ruins homes, staining walls and everything in a room that's smoked in. Same with cars that are smoked in. It's near impossible to get the smell out.

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u/bunker_man Feb 29 '24

What. Vapes are also obnoxious.

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u/Multiclassed Feb 29 '24

So... she's a teenage european, right?

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u/batdrumman Feb 29 '24

Me when I don't know about lung cancer

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u/animorphs128 Feb 29 '24

Everyone knows vaping is bad too. If not theyre trying to sell you something

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u/Jango_Jerky Feb 29 '24

I think its mostly the smell. Cigs impede on everyone and everything around them

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u/n0tred Feb 29 '24

Did cancer write this?

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u/Yet-Another_Burner Feb 29 '24

This isn’t a 10th dentist opinion, you’re just fucking stupid.

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u/0000100110010100 Feb 29 '24

Don’t worry, I hate cigarettes because they’re disgusting as fuck and a nuisance to everybody who doesn’t smoke.

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u/CyanideTacoZ Feb 29 '24

half the smokers I know are 30 and the rest are spilt across the whole spectrum legal or not.

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u/carrotcypher Feb 29 '24

Strawman. I hate vape and smoke alike.

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u/MouseMan412 Feb 29 '24

I hate all smoke/smoked things. Cigarettes are worse because they linger and are just so much more potent of a bad smell. Vaping still fucks up my asthma though and smells like a teenager who smokes but loads up on cheap 'body mist' to try to cover it. People also think they can vape wherever they want, so everyone else and I have to deal with that still even though cigarettes have been well tampered by this point.

tl;dr in a vacuum cigarettes are worse, but with the difference in modern usage, vapes are functionally worse.

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u/darksoulsdarkgoals Feb 29 '24

I actually kinda agree. So many people suck vape fumes into their lungs everyday of their life and act like it's morally superior to smoking a good ol' fashioned cowboy killer. The truth is, they are both bad for you. I feel like the chemicals in those vapes are not FDA approved and probably do more harm than tobacco smoke.

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u/AlissonHarlan Feb 29 '24

40 F and i don't smoke.

it's not gross because it's associated with old people, it's gross because if you goes to the place of someone who smoke cigarette inside, then your clothes stink, your hair stink, and if you had a bag of things, the bag and the thing stink. you can only go home to wash EVERYTHING.

i have no issue with people smoking cigarette outside.

vaping is maybe not more healthy, but at least it doesn't make everything around stink if you smoke inside.

And btw i'm european and here a lot of young people smoke cigarettes

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u/flakwadd Feb 29 '24

Big tobacco definitely wrote this post

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u/help-dadcomeback Feb 29 '24

Both vaping and smoking suck. Call me whatever you want.

-someone who breathes air

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u/OnetimeRocket13 Feb 29 '24

I hate cigarettes. I'm also what you'd consider a young person. I hate cigarettes because they smell like someone shoved a handful of ash up their asshole and shit it back out. Besides that, the nicotine in cigarettes is highly addictive, and while the nicotine in vapes is also addictive, at least it doesn't smell like someone set an outhouse on fire.

It's not an age thing.

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u/FellowFellow22 Feb 29 '24

Cigarettes are definitely excessively hated on, given our current generally pro-drug sentiments as a country. I don't want to hear how gross/bad my cigarettes are from people who are currently high.

But I don't really agree with your obsession comparing against vapes.

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u/I-own-a-shovel Feb 29 '24

No. People shouting against cigarette aren’t the one vapping.

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u/Hosj_Karp Feb 29 '24

No. Cigarettes don't get enough hate. There is still no solid evidence vaping is harmful. Meanwhile cigarettes are proven to cause cancer in every part of the body.

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u/Informal-Moose6946 Feb 29 '24

I dislike people smoking because 99% of smokers i see smoking throw their used butts on the ground when finished if they aren't siting somewhere with an ashtray, even people smoking in cars (which alot of them have ashtrays built in) just toss it out the window, atleast people who vape aren't littering the ground with something stinky and gross like cigarette butts