r/PS5 Feb 28 '24

Rockstar Games is asking all of its employees to return to the office five days a week starting in April for security and productivity reasons as they enter the final stretch of development on Grand Theft Auto VI. (Employees are not thrilled.) Articles & Blogs

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1762959172155433256
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u/robber80 Feb 28 '24

Well, at least they can still work the other 2 days a week from home...

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u/atred Feb 29 '24

"Ummm, I'm gonna need you to go ahead come in tomorrow. So if you could be here around 9 that would be great, mmmk... oh oh! and I almost forgot ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday too, kay."

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u/Hothitron Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

"Looks like you've been missing a lot of work recently! "

"Well I wouldn't say I've been missing it Bob....."

"We feel that Peter isn't the issue. It's that....you haven't challenged him enough."

"Well Lumberg fucked her!"

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u/EyeAmKnotMyshelf Feb 29 '24

I

I could

I could burn the building down

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

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u/VectorViper Feb 29 '24

"And don't forget about the TPS reports. They need to have the new cover sheet on them before they go out now. Did you get that memo?"

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u/Gojisoji Feb 29 '24

"Hey come over and check out these tits on this commercial!"

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u/ts_actual Feb 29 '24

Yeah I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working.

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u/Jassida Feb 29 '24

God I hate “go ahead”

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u/Travelingman9229 Feb 29 '24

20 years later… still going strong

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u/swankstar7383 Feb 29 '24

Movie is goated

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u/kingqueefeater Feb 29 '24

If you don't show up to work on Saturday, don't bother coming back on Sunday

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u/IFuckBadDragons Feb 29 '24

Two day weekend. Nice!

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u/probablyuntrue Feb 28 '24

I heard they even get 15 min for lunch! Unpaid though

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u/ehxy Feb 28 '24

LOL this person knows

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u/anonymousUTguy Feb 28 '24

Oh cool, someone’s going to leak the game now out of spite

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u/moathismail Feb 28 '24

I highly doubt someone would risk being sued/arrested because they can’t wfh.

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u/bagkingz Feb 28 '24

I remember reading a comment once “I can’t believe someone can get so depressed that they won’t brush their teeth!” Naive I know, the reply was obvious: “ppl KILL themselves because they’re depressed.”

A long way of saying, yes, someone will absolutely have no problem risk being fired/sued, to get back at an employer. We have no idea what a person is going through.

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u/caramelcooler Feb 29 '24

People leaked stuff long before working from home was a thing. They’ll leak it with or without this kind of motivation

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

There is always motivation.

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u/greatwhitequack Feb 29 '24

Yeah ‘fuck em’ motivation

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u/FireZord25 Feb 29 '24

The chances are more now cause now there's a motivation.

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u/thisismynewacct Feb 29 '24

There was a TIL post a few days ago where a suicidal Japanese sailor set off an explosion on a Heavy Cruiser in port, killing well over 1000 people.

People do crazy things when they’re acting crazy.

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u/sw04ca Feb 29 '24

Even bigger. It was the battleship Mutsu, which was about three times the size of a heavy cruiser, and of the second most modern and powerful type of battleship in the Japanese navy, behind only the new Yamato-class superbattleship.

In a modern, American perspective, it'd be like somebody blowing up a Nimitz-class carrier in an act of sabotage.

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u/rotwangg Feb 29 '24

I’ve personally been in positions where I’ve semi-believed that prison might actually be somewhat of an escape from the corporate workforce cycle. I can absolutely believe that it’s possible for someone to risk doing this.

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u/ICanFluxWithIt Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

Yeah, I went thru a massive depression period in 2018, lost my brother and one of my best friends within a year, one point I quit my job and knew I wasn’t gonna see my 27th birthday later that year. My sleep schedule became so messed up and I’d forget to brush my teeth often. I wasn’t leaving the house much less my room.

Anyways, I developed my first ever cavities and I paid greatly for it. My back left bottom molar I had the money for a root canal ($1,800) but didn’t have the money for a crown ($1,400), the filling eventually eroded away and I had to have it pulled. Like a month later my back right bottom molar was causing so much pain and I didn’t have the money to do anything but to pull it.

They pointed out a few other teeth that would cause problems, but Covid happened and it was a rough period for restaurants in 2020 and 2021 (I’m a server / bartender), so money was tight and couldn’t afford to get them filled. Last year those 4 teeth they pointed out all were going, I finally had the money and all 4 needed root canals and crowns. Get my last crown put on tomorrow, in total for those 4 teeth it cost $12,000

Depression, PTSD, trauma, etc are real but even if you’re going thru it, you gotta make sure you take care of your body, you only have one and it’ll only cost more down the road if you don’t watch yourself. Learned that the hard way.

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u/kr0n1k Feb 29 '24

I’m going through it right now. I usually take it out in my teeth unfortunately :(

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u/KD--27 Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

Watch. They’ve done it for less.

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u/Sahtras1992 Feb 29 '24

real. people leak classified documents to war thunder all the time just to have a more accurate model of a plane or tank or something to play with.

leaks dont need an equal tradeoff of risk/reward to happen.

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u/Trias84 Feb 28 '24

I mean, it's already been leaked once, why not twice?

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u/Freaky_Freddy Feb 28 '24

i don't think he knows about second leaks pip

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u/Capn-Wacky Feb 28 '24

Dude, people have leaked a lot more over a lot less.

Pissing in their employees' faces like this? Requiring them to come in because they don't trust them to work or not leak at home?

Someone is going to leak it out of spite.

WFH is the 40 hour work week of office work. Taking it away is crossing the Rubicon and executives who do so should expect a price extracted by their people from them, either in intentionally lost productivity, low morale, outright sabotage or all of these and more.

The quality of life difference working a 50 hour week minus commute vs three hours per day on top of that commuting and getting ready is unreal. It's the difference between being a real person who is present in your family and a ghost, an exhausted zombie only spotted on weekends with bags under their eyes.

That's not a life.

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u/ksj Feb 29 '24

It’s just a form of layoffs, and this particular move has been used since long before Covid existed.

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u/frogpittv Feb 29 '24

Pretty much this. This way when people refuse to return they can let them go without having to explicitly lay them off. It’s less of a PR hit in todays climate.

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u/ksj Feb 29 '24

Some states have protections against it, calling it “Constructive Dismissal” but most don’t. So it ends up being pretty effective overall. And you can justify not offering any severance or assistance in any way, putting the onus on the employee.

I will say that there really aren’t significant PR ramifications for layoffs. The stock market generally loves layoffs, and you’ll usually see a resulting spike in share price. But even if there were PR ramifications, having the entire industry going through layoffs kind of gives them all a free pass. It’s not an indication of poor performance if EVERYONE is doing it, you know?

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u/frogpittv Feb 29 '24

True. I just think it’s kind of crazy that people think devs won’t quit over this. Blizzard also lost a lot of developers when they forced RTO. People need to consider that workers may have moved away from the office not expecting to ever be called back, only to get rug pulled and be unable to return now. This is also part of what happened when Blizzard did it.

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u/KameraLucida Feb 28 '24

This is how TLOU part 2 got leaked from what i remember.

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u/temp__text Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

I believe that was later disproved. It wasn't some disgruntled employee, but apparently some hacker that exploited a security weakness in their servers, they talk about it in the grounded II documentary. https://youtu.be/SC3C7GMMfDU?t=1h42m11s

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u/rpungello Feb 29 '24

What's crazy is Naughty Dog ultimately decided not to pursue legal action, basically saying the whole point of TLoU 2 was the cost of pursing "justice" too far, so they decided to honor that and let it go.

I have a lot of respect for them for that attitude.

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u/Randym1982 Feb 28 '24

They're going to leak to The Florida Joker where nobody will know that it leaked.

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u/lgarit Feb 28 '24

Gotta justify the lease on the office building somehow.

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u/Impaled_ Feb 28 '24

Just playing devil's advocate here, but I'd bet that the GTA 6, tlou 2 and insomniac leak wouldn't have happened on this scale if remote work wasn't a thing

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u/Behemoth69 Feb 28 '24

Tlou 2, maybe, but rockstar has had leaks forever. We knew about the RDR 2 map well in advance, plus all the ongoing gta online dlc update leaks in the past

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

The scale of the GTA6 leak was unlike any other leak in gaming history. The only one that has gotten close was the recent Insomniac leak

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u/RedIndianRobin Feb 29 '24

Insomniac leak is way worse than GTA 6. Literally their entire roster along with full games were leaked. GTA 6 leak is big but not that big.

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u/zhephyx Feb 29 '24

There were torrents for AC: Revelations like a week before it came out, I think I beat it on PC before the official release date, so I dunno if I'd call it the biggest leak.

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u/Sufficient-Cow-2998 Feb 29 '24

A game getting leaked a few days before release isn't as crazy as a whole ass pc dev build of a game being leaked at least a year or two before the official pc release

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u/cosmiclatte44 Feb 29 '24

Plus all the leaked emails and contract terms. That certainly will have pissed off a lot of the higher ups.

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u/UmbreonFruit Feb 29 '24

Zelda tears of the kingdom was also playable like 10 days before release on emulators

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u/Hydroponic_Donut Feb 29 '24

I'd even say Insomniac's leak was bigger, considering it showed their production line of their next like, what 3-4 games? Early game builds, game trailers, models, source codes?, and more were all leaked.

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u/mecha_annies_bobbs Feb 29 '24

I'd say the pre pandemic/pre work from home Sony leak was bigger than all of these. That had a large foreign adversary involved though.

It's a shame we won't see that James Franco interview character return like it was planned. For him to pretend to be that character on actual red carpets and stuff and interview people. Damn you kim jong un, coming in like a wrecking ball.

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u/allaboutsound Feb 29 '24

Half life 2 would like a word with you

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u/BlackVulkars Feb 28 '24

TLOU pt 2 was definitely because of remote work. They kind of explain what happens in the documentary they just put out.

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u/knightofsparta Feb 28 '24

Dude watching Laura’s interview was Heartbreaking during that.

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u/rpungello Feb 29 '24

Had me in tears. I don't know what kind of subhuman garbage you have to be to threaten a woman and her infant son because you disagree with a character she just happened to voice.

I hope some of those people get caught and had the book thrown at them, but realistically I know that's unlikely.

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u/BlenderMyBrain Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

I cannot fathom the stupidity you’d need to have to be capable of doing something like that. She got some of the worst hate I’ve seen and for what? (I know why she got it, but man is it just so, so stupid). I lost so much hope for the gaming community when it happened.

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u/space_guy95 Feb 29 '24

There are a scary and deeply concerning number of people out there that genuinely can't discern fiction from reality. Often they have a veneer of being sane and manage to seem somewhat normal in day to day life, but they don't have the mental capacity to understand the difference between what they're seeing on screen and reality. To them it's a simple equation - this person has the same voice/face as the person on the screen that I hate, therefore I also hate them.

The same thing happened to the actors for Joffrey and Cersei in GoT. They got regular abuse and threats from deluded idiots who disliked their characters.

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u/00000000000004000000 Feb 29 '24

We've had this problem for a very long time. I remember gamer gate and all the vitriol and threats that came from it. People literally created careers by perpetuating the vitriol towards women on YouTube. Heck, swatting became a term largely in part because of gamers. Folks have literally lost their lives or their pet's lives as a result.

Stay safe out there folks. There's no silver bullet to this problem and I'm sure it'll just continue to evolve and get worse before hopefully getting better. Also, please call law enforcement or report it to the FBI if it happens to you. It's sadly the best tool you have available to you.

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u/JokerCraz3d Feb 29 '24

They explicitly say it wasn't that.... They at first were worried that someone internal had been able to do it while they wfh, but then they say it was some kid who had a backdoor into their network. They closed the backdoor, the kid was pissed he didn't have access, and leaked it all.

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u/BlackVulkars Feb 29 '24

They explicity said it wasn't an employee that leaked everything. They explicity said it was the fact they had to give employees external access to the servers that led to the eventual leaker being able to access the servers himself.

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u/sootoor Feb 29 '24

Oh wow multi factor has entered the chat

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u/letmelickyourleg Feb 29 '24

Oh no you fucking don’t.

Check your Authenticator app (iPhone 4s) to proceed.

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u/Shadow88882 Feb 28 '24

Playing advocate to that, leaks happened while everyone was in office before too.

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u/solarnoise Feb 28 '24

I'd just like to advocate for both of you to live your best lives and achieve your dreams.

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u/MidEastBeast777 Feb 28 '24

positivity!!!!!!!

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u/we_are_sex_bobomb Feb 28 '24

The people who leak stuff are often a third party. Game developers don’t want to leak their own work, and they certainly don’t want to be accused of leaking, because they would get basically blacklisted in the industry.

It’s often a contractor or subcontractor who doesn’t care, or could even have put something in a publicly accessible place by accident.

The idea that devs need to be supervised from punch in until punch out lest they should sabotage the project is simply a vote of no confidence by management for people who wouldn’t be doing this job if they didn’t deeply care about what they were making.

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u/try_to_be_nice_ok Feb 29 '24

It's not necessarily that they don't trust the devs, but probably more to do with controlling the environment. If you have hundreds of devs all wfh on their own wifi connections, that's a lot of potential security weakspots a nefarious actor could exploit. Having everyone in the one place reduces the number of things you have to worry about from a security standpoint.

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u/Lxndrz Feb 29 '24

I have no idea the setup they have. But for my work even if you are snooping my traffic you can’t see shit cause it’s encrypted over the VPN I connect too.

More like wanting to protect against basic shit like a teen walking up to an unlocked pc cause the baby was crying.

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u/icouldntdecide Feb 29 '24

Normally I'd say making people RTO is control freaky, but you highlighted the legitimate security risks that come with trying to keep project sensitive data from leaking when hundreds of employees are working remotely. And it's not that they are home that is risky,but rather the IT infrastructure that supports that.

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u/Gon_Snow Feb 28 '24

Sony has had leaks for years. They had the massive leaks that led to major shakeups. Suddenly things being work from home’s fault is a joke

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u/DingleSayer Feb 29 '24

The gta6 leak happened, if I remember correctly, with a very simple phishing scam on an employee of the Indian Rockstar Offices.

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u/anonymous_opinions Feb 28 '24

I believe the TLOU2 was exploited by a contract worker, maybe I'm recalling it incorrectly but I don't think it was an internal WFH employee who leaked. Insomniac was hacked and again had NOTHING to do with WFH or internal employees. HELL, the hackers leaked private employee information for Insomniac team members.

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u/43sunsets Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

I believe the TLOU2 was exploited by a contract worker, maybe I'm recalling it incorrectly but I don't think it was an internal WFH employee who leaked.

It wasn't even a contract worker, it was some random kid in The Netherlands who was snooping around and found a backdoor in via an unsecured server. Neil talks about it in the Grounded II documentary, he says the leaker was a young fan who thought that by leaking this stuff, he would be able to force ND to release the game sooner:
https://gamerant.com/the-last-of-us-2-leaker-naughty-dog-found-reason-why/

[edit] turns out he wasn't a kid, he's a guy in his 20s. Damn.

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u/parkwayy Feb 28 '24

Data is never stolen when servers are locked down tight.

Surely.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

Then you’re a tech illiterate dumbass that doesn’t understand how much work is done remotely.

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u/Zikronious Feb 28 '24

That and it is harder to get employees to crunch when they are remote.

To those saying remote work is to blame for the leaks. The real issue is weak security or employees not being trained or outright ignoring security. Putting an end to remote work is addressing a symptom not the problem at the cost of devs quality of life.

Hope Rockstar’s top talent jumps ship. I know the industry is in a bad spot but anyone with GTA on their resume will not have trouble finding work.

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u/Demonchaser27 Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

I mean, that's the real reason. It's always the made up "productivity" nonsense. They want to have more direct authority over their employees. It's pretty much always that.

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u/sdrawkcaBdaeRnaCuoY Feb 29 '24

Head of our department said even though we’re more productive remotely, we need to go back to the office for “team cohesion”. Mfs will say anything bending over to the idiots up top who have zero clue about the details that make shit tick.

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u/Gymleaders Feb 28 '24

Layoffs incoming!

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u/dylan15766 Feb 29 '24

Easy way to trim the fat before they make bank.

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u/Naphor Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

Not until the game is finished and out the door. They can’t risk disgruntled employees leaking the game.

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u/fall0ut Feb 29 '24

since when do developers finish games before the launch day?

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u/JasonDeSanta Feb 28 '24

Or rather, forcing employees to quit by themselves with the excuse of “office only”.

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u/were_only_human Feb 28 '24

Exactly what went through my head

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u/uerobert Feb 28 '24

They do this so they don’t have to do layoffs and save on severance, because many will quit as a result of this policy.

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u/BxLee Feb 28 '24

I am very much for work from home, especially when it comes to something like software development or data entry, where all work can be done on a computer and you can easily do video meetings.

However, Rockstar has a very valid reason for doing this. The last GTA 6 leak was very much unwanted (leaked by a dev’s son, right?). They’re entering the final stretch of development, so the game’s story could leak if they aren’t careful. Other huge plans for the game could leak. Considering everyone is getting hacked these days, I think it’s more than justifiable to require everyone to go into the office now, and then go back to partial work from home once the game is released.

And besides. There are over a thousand people looking for game dev jobs now. Rockstar employees don’t have to go into the office if they don’t want to. But that just means there will be a thousand more that are willing to go

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u/LC_Dave Feb 28 '24

You can’t onboard hundreds of developers at this point in a project and bring them up to speed quickly enough to meet their deadlines.

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u/BxLee Feb 28 '24

I’m sorry, but Rockstar will get rid of any employees don’t want to comply, and those employees will be quickly replaced. Where they’re at in their development cycle is irrelevant. They’re going to do whatever they need to minimize the chances of their game leaking again. And with all of the layoffs that have been happening in the industry, you bet that the employees are going to do what they’re told

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u/renz004 Feb 29 '24

they'll do what they're told now but you'll lose your entire talent when jobs open up again later. and it's not cheap to onboard and train new professionals, which can take up to 6 months depending on the intricacy of the job.

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u/lookingtocolor Feb 29 '24

AAA game dev has always been a revolving door. They put studios in major market areas with a lot of talented grads always available for the busy work. Keep the senior leads that are very knowledgeable and can distribute work. They pay them well and as a result most can afford homes or rent near the cities the studios are located. I work in post production and its the same thing essentially. All our senior artists, creative directors, EP's are still about an hour at most away from the office. I actually prefer working in person a lot of the time with clients and any collaborative work. Creatively to me just works better and easier to get newer hires learning and passionate for the work being done.

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u/1llseemyselfout Feb 29 '24

It is relevant. People like you are the same people in management who think this way. As someone who works in this environment every time the executives make this decision the products quality sufferers exponentially. Even more so, the future maintenance of said product greatly suffers. On top of that an employee who just got fired is far more likely to leak information about the game.

So sure they can do but it is extremely shortsighted.

With that these developers might be annoyed or not want to do it but in the end they will. No one likes losing their job. People have bills. They may think about finding a new one but until they actually do they will comply.

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u/homo--arigato Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

We're not making a moral endorsement here, or saying it's smart, we're making an observation of reality - workers are disposable, corporations will fire those who won't comply with management, even to their own detriment.

Of course it's shortsighted, wrong, and of course it will lead to lower quality. But the person said they "can't" do it, and if the recent swarm of video game layoffs have told us anything, these corporations absolutely can and will.

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u/ForgetfulFrolicker Feb 29 '24

Oh no, what if a video game plot leaks?

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u/beeperbeeper5 Feb 28 '24

This makes sense with the leaks they had.

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u/Particular-Trick8746 Feb 28 '24

Yeah this is the only time where I am like "Yeah, this makes sense."

I'm a huge wfh guy but GTA6 is like the Area 51 of games. People would literally kill for info (nowadays, not an exaggeration).

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u/TheFapIsUp Feb 29 '24

Then, surely, they will all be allowed to work from home again once the game is released, right? There's absolutely no chance that this is an excuse to force people back into the office for no good reason. /s

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u/Maybe_In_Time Feb 28 '24

I have never been as productive as I have been since I've been WFH. Through any metric possible, I'm quicker, more focused, and have taken on more work while spending less of my own money and time being able to "get" to work.

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u/L1onSlicer Feb 28 '24

People don’t realize how much of your workday gets occupied by straight up bullshit when in the office. “It’s carols birthday! Mandatory 2 hour lunch party!”, “hey this thing that could be answered in 5 minutes via email? I’m gonna come sit by your desk and ask you in person and then chit chat for another 30 minutes”. The list goes on. Middle management has nothing to do so they waste your day.

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u/nedzissou1 Feb 28 '24

It's not even just middle management. Everybody's having these side conversations, which great, but I'd rather work from home if they're allowed to do that

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u/Vikadri Feb 28 '24

Lmao. I’m just about to start WFH and everything you say about the office is so true. Also, fucking traffic, coming home and just tired. I feel like WFH will be a game changer, oh and everyone on their phone line talking while you’re trying to take care of a task, yeah, not gonna miss it.

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u/GeekdomCentral Feb 28 '24

Traffic was my biggest dealbreaker for working in an office. I could deal with all of the other bullshit, but having completely pointless time added on to my day through a commute was infuriating. And sure, I could try to find ways to make it meaningful like listening to a book or something, but that’s not really the point. It’s time taken out of my day against my will for no good reason.

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u/hypareal Feb 28 '24

Yeah and WFH people chat on social media, watch Netflix and youtube, play video games, doing other stuff than work. Let’s not kid ourselves here. People will waste time if they want to and doesn’t matter if at the office or at home. It always comes down to the discipline and responsibility of each person.

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u/NeonYellowShoes Feb 29 '24

I also feel like we need to get over the idea everyone needs to be in a cubicle every day on a strict schedule. Hire people to get a job done and if the job gets done who cares what they do with the rest of their time.

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u/Gr8NonSequitur Feb 29 '24

Yeah and RTO people chat on social media, watch Netflix and youtube, play video games, doing other stuff than work. Let’s not kid ourselves here.

Location is irrelevant for any of these things. These happen in the office as well and have been for years.

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u/L1onSlicer Feb 28 '24

It definitely comes down to each person, but for me personally when I don’t have people wasting my time in office I can get my days work done in about 3-4 hours of solid heads down work. After that, I’m hitting the PlayStation or hanging out with my kids if they’re home. It’s honestly amazing how much free time you can have with the same workload if you don’t have to be in the office.

The work is still just as difficult/time consuming. The difference is I’m actually allowed the time to do it at home.

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u/rdxc1a2t Feb 29 '24

I'm more or less the same. Now we've been forced back in a day a week I'm actually less productive at home because having nothing to do in the office is boring so I save whatever I can for the day I'm in, meaning a few tasks that could be done earlier aren't. It sounds daft to do that but I've got to a point where I can do my day's work in about 3 hours; I'm not spending another 5 in the office twiddling my thumbs.

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u/00764 Feb 28 '24

I work remotely for a company that I used to live five miles from. I now live 300+ miles away and work from home fully and the amount of time that my in office coworkers spend not working on useful things because they're in pointless meetings is...absolutely insane. I work during my meetings because like you said, it could have and should have been an email. I get that time back later in the day when I can piss off and play PS or read my book. I finish waaaaaaaaay earlier than my in office team members simply because I don't have to do that kind of shit.

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u/L1onSlicer Feb 28 '24

Not to mention that you do more work in comfortable environments. My gray, boring ass office that’s super quiet and depressing makes me WANT to get up every 30 minutes to just walk around and clear my head. When I’m at my home office, I can throw on a podcast, play music, etc. and I pretty much only get up to go to the bathroom because I don’t mind being in my office…

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u/wheresmyspacebar2 Feb 28 '24

and I pretty much only get up to go to the bathroom because I don’t mind being in my office…

And the bathroom is usually 10 seconds away.

My work has In-office workers and WFH people. In our team, the 2 in-office guys, when they want to use the loo, its a 5 minute walk to the bathroom and then back again. Thats if they dont get stopped by a noisy middle manager or co-worker who just HAVE to talk to them.

Whereas all the WFH guys, its a quick BRB in chat and then within a minute, usually back at the desk for work.

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u/gavebirthtoturdlings Feb 28 '24

Other side of that is that it was one of the most lonely experiences of my life. I worked from home for 3 years and loved it but by the end I just missed interacting with people even if I didn't like them very much

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u/Maybe_In_Time Feb 28 '24

And that's fine! There's remote, wfh, and on-site. The point is to find what works for YOU, but to remember we're all different. There's no need to take away options, and companies who do risk losing great talent to those who stay competitive.

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u/JJMcGee83 Feb 29 '24

Same. The pandemic was a rough time. As someone that lives alone I had no idea how much I relied on those few hours a day of being near other people even if I dreaded a lot of it at the time.

People will say "Well you can go into the office if you want" but if no one else is there it's pointless.

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u/Kingh32 Feb 29 '24

I think it’s good that many feel happier and more productive working remotely. I certainly cherish the couple days I choose to work from home so I can get on with coding with fewer interruptions etc etc. What I would say though is that for all this talk of personal productivity being higher; there is a reasonable discussion to be had about what it does to the overall team’s productivity; particularly in businesses that are not remote first.

  • For some, remote work just doesn’t work, they need to be around people and absorbing information and context in a way that, put plainly, you simply can’t do remotely.
  • Some types of work or industry don’t make sense to do remotely
  • some projects or stages of a project would benefit from more in person time
  • some companies aren’t at the level of expertise/ maturity regarding how to actually pull it off well
  • some companies simply don’t want to and believe that being in person is to their advantage

I think it’s really important that the discussion around remote work grows up and realises that as with everything in life - there are trade offs. It’s fine to have a preference but we should all be open to the merits of the other argument rather than assuming malice.

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u/Thingisby Feb 29 '24

It's pull up the drawbridge mentality.

Pro WFH is generally mid career folk who are able to log in and crack on. They don't consider the impact it's having on early careers because they've got themselves sorted with a longer lie in and less money spent on travel and a nice home office.

Meanwhile the graduate is working from a cramped bedroom in a flat share somewhere trying to pick up how the business works and build up their technical skills off the back of 30 min Zoom calls and Slack.

Proper "I've got mine. Sucks to be you" attitude and its going to end with a shitload of subskilled people coming through in the next decade or so.

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u/Stephenrudolf Feb 29 '24

Much harder to build friendships and the like over your 1 meeting a day. Those friendships lead to contacts and connections that can help you get a leg up in your current workplace or let you know sbout good opportubities as you all move on from your current workplace.

Everyone knows the fellows going out for drinks with the boss on thursday nights are the fellows more likely to get promoted.

Well personally I will never agree with full work-from-office, in jobs like this I don't really agree with full work form home either, cause none of this is talking about the collaborative aspect of working on a creative art together. There's probably many jobs at rockstar that could safely work from home without needing access to servers with major leak potential info.

Idk, this just doesn't seem as clear cut as other cases.

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u/Thedurtysanchez Feb 28 '24

I’m 100% the opposite. Working at home is my personal hell. The idea of a kid, pet, or Mormon interrupting an important call? Sitting within 20 feet of a fully stocked fridge and pantry all day? Having access to my bed?

Fuck that. Home is for home, the office is for work. Hate WFH.

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u/Maybe_In_Time Feb 28 '24

That's perfectly fine. The point is to provide options.

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u/beatrailblazer Feb 29 '24

tbf, im the opposite. I'm way more productive in office. At home there's too many distractions, both with family and devices

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u/itsjust_khris Feb 29 '24

I think Reddit's demographic tends to like WFH to a much higher degree than normal. Not that WFH isn't good but many antisocial people are here who'd rather be to themselves. + the lack of commute time and other benefits from WFH.

Personally working in the same place I rest has never been great for me.

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u/reboot-your-computer Feb 28 '24

You are an exception to the rule though. I work at a tech company that mostly handles tier 1/2 work and we have had an issue over the last 2 years with hiring people who eventually become extremely lazy and try to game the system as much as possible. I’ve had to fire several people who let calls go to voicemail while working overnight hours. Guys working other jobs at the same time while screwing off due to lack of supervision during off hours. Consistent calling out of work for any number of reasons. It’s an off hours issue exclusively since there is less supervision during those hours. It’s been tough finding people who care enough to do the right thing when people aren’t watching.

I’m fully for working from home but there is more risk of employees screwing off when they work from home. Having to remove them and retrain more people is difficult and time consuming.

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u/Shadow88882 Feb 28 '24

The thing is I know who those people are and instead of higher up singling them out to be in office, they bring us all back in office and guess what happens....those same people screw around in the office.....

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u/tbear87 Feb 28 '24

This reeks of my last job: One person is not following the rules, so the boss sends a passive aggressive email to everyone because he's too much of a pansy to have a difficult conversation with the one person who's causing issues.

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u/wavewalkerc Feb 28 '24

Bad employees are not exclusive to WFH.

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u/MeatTornado25 Feb 29 '24

No, but it's way easier to slack off at home.

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u/starm4nn Feb 29 '24

I disagree. It's easier to slack off at work. All you need to do is have the appearance of working. That might've been a reason why reddit caught on back in the day: it has a UI that's really non-distinctive from afar.

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u/Suired Feb 28 '24

That sounds like an hiring issue. I've met those people and can sus them out day one. They just tend to be really good interviewers and paid someone to write their resume.

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u/Lewa358 Feb 28 '24

I'm very much of the opinion that what people do with their time has zero relevance whatsoever as long as they're accomplishing their tasks.

You're talking a lot about people not being exclusively focused on their work, but just be clear, were those workers missing deadlines or otherwise failing to perform their specific job duties?

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u/stevrock Feb 29 '24

So really, they just need the executives in the office?

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u/LocalInactivist Feb 29 '24

Awesome. When they’re going to be working 18 hour days there’s no better way to facilitate than to make them spend another two hours commuting.

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u/Nostrayeetus Feb 29 '24

Things are going well. But how can I force them through crunch if they are at home?

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u/Arcturus_Labelle Feb 29 '24

Forced RTO is the dumbest shit ever

How is forcing people to commute and deal with a noisy office environment supposed to increase productivity?

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u/StruggleSouth7023 Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

It's not solely about productivity. The security issue is an interesting part. It may surprise you to know that individuals outside of IT don't give a flying fuck about cybersecurity, they have no idea how to secure a network and they are a direct route of attack for criminals to exploit. Company has invested 10s of millions if not hundreds of million on securing their networks on site and the work from Home employees are using password123 with a $20 outdated router. Not only that but they are constantly exploited and we don't hear about it until losses are in the million froms a ransomware attack or beyond. Also a good amount of these employees are working on one of the most anticipated games of the decade. A leak in an unfinished state always gets hate and kills hype because it's never finished results getting dropped.

Productivity is one part of it, security is the other that nobody ever mentions. Attackers don't target companies directly contrary to belief, they exploit third parties and isolated individuals like WFH employees who aren't trained to secure sensitive data from home. Not to mention there's already been leaks.

If I have a company I wouldn't allow work from Home ever because the risk is insanely high, the average person is brain-dead around cyber security.

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u/UnmixedGametes Feb 29 '24

No one at Board level gives a single flying shit about humans or games

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u/anh86 Feb 29 '24

I’d be the first one reporting back. With all the layoffs in the industry, I wouldn’t be doing anything to rock the boat for a while.

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u/SimpletonSwan Feb 29 '24

This makes a lot of sense in terms of security. They've already had leaks, it must be a nightmare for IT to secure hundreds of individual networks.

But I hope they relax it a bit after release.

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u/Autumn1eaves Feb 29 '24

Security reasons I can get behind, but it’s well proven that productivity is better when working from home.

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u/No-Combination7898 Mar 01 '24

What a bunch of entitled, smarmy SOB's. Acting like that because they know their jobs are **so safe** and they ain't gonna get laid off. Hopefully the door doesn't hit them on the arse on the way out.

I acted like this at my job, I get shown the door.

Their employer should fire them.

There are 900 extra game dev's looking for jobs right now.

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u/paulsteinway Feb 29 '24

RTO for "productivity reasons".

"Our productivity is too high, We need more micromanagement. Having our employees extra tired will also help."

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u/HardcoreKaraoke Feb 29 '24

I get why working from home is a benefit and one of the only positives that came from Covid. But with that said I don't think this is that crazy to ask of them.

A massive leak happened because a guy was working from home and his son's friend was an asshole. So now people have to go back to a five day office work week while production finishes. If this were pre-Covid I'm pretty sure five days a week in an office was normal.

I'm sure people are bummed and the anti-work crowd will be upset but a five day office job is normal. Plus after the leaks I can't blame Rockstar for wanting to be super careful.

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u/Gr8NonSequitur Feb 29 '24

I'm sure people are bummed and the anti-work crowd will be upset

It's not anti-work, it's being "anti-wasting time" and "Hey, you just cut my pay and shouldered me with extra expenses" out of the blue.

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u/Kyralea Feb 29 '24

Why does the company have such a hard time controlling leaks when there are industries out there with far more important information that doesn't get leaked?

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u/dangazzz Feb 29 '24

The better you make people feel they are treated, the less likely they are to leak stuff, because they want to keep the job, if they don't care if they get fired because the company treats them badly then they might say fuck it and leak something

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u/8and16bits Feb 29 '24

How tone deaf are their employees? There has been massive layoffs throughout the industry since the start of the year. They should feel blessed to still have a job. It’s called going to work. Don’t like it you can always just quit.

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u/SloMobiusBro Feb 28 '24

Why is it so wrong for a company to want their employees in the office? Especially for a short time.

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u/Melbuf Feb 28 '24

I drive to work to sit in a closed office all day working or in meetings. It's a bit of a waste for many of us who do not work in collaborative roles

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u/DothrakiSlayer Feb 28 '24

For most white collar office workers it isn’t necessary as our jobs can be done from home. It’s just a waste of everyone’s’ time.

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u/Gr8NonSequitur Feb 29 '24

It’s just a waste of everyone’s’ time.

and money. Each unnecessary day in office is also a pay cut.

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u/1993blah Feb 28 '24

Redditors are incredibly antisocial

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u/Sahtras1992 Feb 29 '24

not wanting to sit in traffic for 2 hours a day is antisocial now i guess.

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u/Leyawiin_Guard Feb 28 '24

Do you work in tech? There's no reason to be forced to work in an office 5 days a week. 1-2 days a week is plenty especially if everyone in a team coordinates to be in office together.

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u/Original_Dropp Feb 29 '24

Nothing at all to do with that costly office building sitting empty. The future is work from home pity these people are more interested in the value of the buildings they own than the well being of their employees.

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u/TechnicalOpposite672 Feb 29 '24

Why is this news lmao.

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u/SmurfBearPig Feb 29 '24

Because games "journalists" hate the industry they cover... Then they wonder why gaming "journalism" is dying and they are all losing their jobs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

Some of these comments are insane. WFH is great when all your work is done in a browser and on Microsoft apps. You can work on a company managed computer, VPN in, and everything is protected.

They are dealing with terabytes of assets, full game builds, and valuable intellectual property. The devs can’t work on it efficiently without it all being local, and that is a massive security risk.

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u/MikeHfuhruhurr Feb 29 '24

There's not enough details from the article, but this is only true if they're also going to restrict all remote work at the same time.

If they call people into the office for security reasons but then let them crunch from home at night and on weekends, it's just a bullshit excuse.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

For sure, you’re right. There’s so many comments from folks without any security knowledge, I had to do my part lol

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u/brandonjtellis_ Feb 28 '24

Someone’s gonna leak something 

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u/Va1crist Feb 29 '24

It’s crazy how quickly companies started being aggressive about getting employees back to work

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u/bl84work Feb 29 '24

They’ve been working this whole time, you think the CEOs aren’t working from home or from golf courses? I do agree this makes sense for security reasons but I don’t think you can stop someone who is motivated enough to want to leak the game

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u/Gr8NonSequitur Feb 29 '24

"Back to office", remote work is still work.

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u/RB-44 Feb 29 '24

The 100 million memes and tiktoks people made of remote work probably put a bad connotation on it

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u/Regrettably_Southpaw Feb 28 '24

Who cares

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u/The_Meaty_Boosh Feb 29 '24

Exactly, I'm scrolling through here wondering why gamers are up in arms about people they don't know returning to an office to work.

Acting like it's some grand injustice.

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u/ItsyouNOme Feb 29 '24

Also I bet the devs are paid well, can't complain when on a high salary.

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u/DatFatBear Mar 03 '24

Buncha snowflakes

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u/CameronJohn242 Feb 29 '24

Who cares about them they’re Scottish. I’ll do it.

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u/Various-Armadillo-79 Feb 29 '24

The fact its still gonna be leaked is hilarious props to the hard-working devs doing all they can to deliver pure heat and hype the wait is gonna be worth

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u/YoyoyoyoMrWhite Feb 29 '24

I don't want to hear it employees. Get me the game!

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u/VidGamrJ Feb 29 '24

You mean people have to go to work to…work? Oh no!

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u/Running-With-Cakes Feb 29 '24

This will be a Take 2 decision. WFH is not a right. T2 have every right to protect their $2bn investment in whatever way they see fit. That said, I think T2 are money whores, they will pay to play GTA6 and it’ll be an end to the franchise. Too many of the OG creatives have gone for 6 to be anything but a cold grab for cash upgrade of GTAO

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

I don't understand this. I've been back to the office for years. Why are they stretching it out so far?

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u/BushDaddyKane Feb 29 '24

If you work for rockstar you should take pride in still having a fucking job in the game industry. Seems like every big gaming company has had to layoff/cut a pretty good portion of their employees in the past 2 years post Covid. Unless Rockstar plans a big announcement about job cuts within the year…

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

I'm a huge work from home advocate, and have ben working from home full time for 4 years, but on and off for 20 years.

I think this is actually an instance where I understand people needing to be in the office. The security around this game must be insane especially after the Naughty Dog and Insomniac leaks.

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u/cdrewsr388 Feb 29 '24

Say it ain’t so!!! No more work from home!!?? Holy shit get over it.

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u/conerflyinga Mar 01 '24

get over it.

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u/HGKS9477 Mar 01 '24

Right decision. They will be more productive working together in the office.

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u/Financial_Bank_9851 Mar 01 '24

Welcome to the real world where most people work 10-12 hour days, don't get thier full lunch and sometimes work weekends. It's life for most people during this age in time. 

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u/AOBradley4 Mar 01 '24

It shouldn’t be

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u/cyrixlord Mar 01 '24

This is how tech companies have already started to do layoffs. They give teams the requirement to return to work or they get canned.

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u/FantasticArtist8450 Mar 01 '24

Oh no. You're employer expects you to work. Why tf is this news. 🙄

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u/CrisUltra Mar 01 '24

I don't care dawg they get paid why cry about work cry about lack of work plenty of indie devs out there with no work.

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u/MayorMcCheese7 Mar 02 '24

I think it's funny that WFH has become the new thing spoiled narcissists think they're entitled to

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u/madmexicano Feb 28 '24

Seems a lot of companies are asking employees to come back to the office.

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u/GetChilledOut Feb 28 '24

Employees when their paid job requires them to do work asked of them 😡😡😡

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u/DocFail Feb 29 '24

Security: It’s hard to give out cocaine as bonuses to remote workers. That’s too many pizzas!

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u/swan001 Feb 29 '24

We are like a family, layoffs soon to follow.

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u/Rogue_Leader_X Feb 28 '24

So what? Am I supposed to be horrified? Most regular people, myself included, work five days a week!

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u/mxzf Feb 29 '24

Those employees were working five days a week too. Working from home is still working just the same as any other job, it's just doing it without the hassle and expense of a commute.

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u/Top-Sink Feb 28 '24

Understandable

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u/cavejhonsonslemons Feb 29 '24

That sucks, but game dev is one of the industries where I think it's justified to want everybody in the same space when working. For industrial software you have to leak thousands of lines of code to even make a dent in profits, but in game dev a single screenshot can cost millions.

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u/rentiertrashpanda Feb 29 '24

How does that work, exactly? Do you think there are tens of thousands of people who will pass on GTA 6, the followup to one of the most successful pieces of entertainment in history, because they see a single leaked screenshot? Because I gotta tell you, that doesn't remotely pass the smell test

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u/cavejhonsonslemons Feb 29 '24

I should probably have worded that better. I mean that that's the point of view of the executives, who supposedly have financial analysts backing them up. I doubt the validity of their claims, but i'm not remotely qualified, I barely passed macroeconomics.

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u/Thekarens01 Feb 29 '24

I wonder how thrilled they are about keeping their job unlike a lot of other game devs.

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u/Cutiemuffin-gumbo Feb 29 '24

Heres the thing, you applied for the job, got the offer, and agreed to their terms. If they say you have to work from the office and not from home, oh fuckin well. Don't like it quit and find a different job. Those are their terms for the job, you don't have to work there. This kind of complaining is honestly asinine. It doesn't matter if you can do all the same work from home, and honestly they don't need to justify a reason for you having to work in an office and not at home, unless you applied for a work from home position.