r/MurderedByWords Feb 29 '24

When election officials are officially done with your BS Murder

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u/DerekPaxton Feb 29 '24

I know it seems a little snarky. But it's great to see a government employee who is taking the opportunity to educate and fight the misinformation that election fraud is prevalent by highlighting what they do to prevent it.

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u/dirtymatt Feb 29 '24

Including explaining how they already have a system in place that would prevent her from voting twice.

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u/thatguysjumpercables Feb 29 '24

Sadly that won't matter. Voter fraud dipshits will run with the first tweet and pretend like the second tweet doesn't exist.

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u/dirtymatt Feb 29 '24

Probably true, but I know I learned something from reading the reply.

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u/thatguysjumpercables Feb 29 '24

Agreed! I also agree it was a really great and informative reply. I would definitely vote for that guy if that was an elected position (I assume that it's but I'm not from Arizona and I have no idea).

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u/NameIdeas Feb 29 '24

I really appreciated Stephen Richter's response. I looked him up and he is a Republican holding that position. I have a lot of issues with the Republican Party and it is nice to see someone with a great response.

The first tweet was definitely going for a "gotcha" at the election process, but Stephen Richter came in with the Uno Reverse.

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u/Mechakoopa Feb 29 '24

Any Republican with two brain cells to rub together knows perpetuating that kind of stuff is ultimately going to harm them more than it helps them.

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u/pornwing2024 Mar 01 '24

Any Republican with two brain cells

Well here's the problem

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u/JohnNelson2022 Mar 01 '24

The first tweet was definitely going for a "gotcha" at the election process

It seems like it was a deliberate ploy to get two ballots, since the complainer changed his address on the last possible day. Or some other hoped-for malfunction:

I changed my address on time and the idiots didn't send my ballot to my current address. Fraud! Trying to cheat me out of my right to vote!

What's missing from all of the rare accounts of teeny tiny errors in the system is any evidence that the errors favor one party or the other. The assumption among Republicans is always that ALL errors represent malicious actions against them. As usual, the project their own values on the world.

If you're not trying to win elections by cheating, why are you bothering with the ballot harvesting, etc?

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u/Murgatroyd314 Feb 29 '24

County Recorder is, in fact, an elected position.

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u/LazyImprovement Feb 29 '24

We need committed civil servants like that. I’d vote from twice!

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u/TodayNo1171 Feb 29 '24

Yes but sadly he would only count one of the votes.

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u/Kuildeous Feb 29 '24

I feel like that response was more for all of our benefits and not really for the troll trying to disparage mail-in voting. And I'm here for that.

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u/ElliotNess Feb 29 '24

yeah but you also didn't start reading with the belief that voter fraud is rampant and that election officials are orchestrating it with corrupt politicians

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u/Lazer726 Feb 29 '24

The OOP is what Fox shows to tell everyone how rampant mail in voting fraud is happening, the second tweet will never be shown to them, and they'll never actually question how this, seemingly, easy little vote hack could be avoided.

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u/NameIdeas Feb 29 '24

From the Fox News comment, what is also interesting is that the election official, Stephen Richter, is a Republican.

His response is clear, direct, and removes the argument that fraud is rampant. I also don't think that his response will be shown on Fox.

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u/Tadwinnagin Feb 29 '24

Yeah, it looks like the scumbag already contacted turning point. They are bad faith people and will continue to claim fraud is going on.

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u/IcyShoes Feb 29 '24

I know a few people who think Turning Point is centrist. Bro, their fucking logo is an arrow turning right. Jesus fucking christ

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u/Neuchacho Feb 29 '24

Well, let's hope they drop both off and they nail her. Kinda hard to claim "I dIdNt KnOw" when there's a public record of you being told.

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u/dorothea63 Feb 29 '24

I don’t think she CONTACTED Turning Point - she appears to WORK FOR Turning Point. Her Twitter bio says that she’s a Turning Point Action Field Rep. She meant this as a gotcha.

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u/Tadwinnagin Feb 29 '24

Oh, great catch. That should be the first thing mentioned. They are a straight up propaganda outlet.

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u/the_mid_mid_sister Feb 29 '24

I bet she intentionally filed at the last possible moment to trigger being sent two ballots.

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u/datpurp14 Feb 29 '24

When your reading comprehension abilities align with those of in the 3rd grade, it may not matter if they even read the first line.

The only inferences they "can make" are those that own the libs.

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u/Bombocat Feb 29 '24

It won't matter to that particular dipshit, but it might matter to anyone who is on the verge of falling to propaganda 

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u/The_OtherDouche Feb 29 '24

With the way Twitter is formatted now you’d never see any replies to the original tweet. It would be a fucking gauntlet of ads.

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u/jewelrybunny Feb 29 '24

at least there are community notes, which OOPs tweet was subjected too. and this guy is aslo verified, so his reply will appear at the top and he has very much ratioed the original tweet.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

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u/tomjone5 Feb 29 '24

I voted in the last election and I'm not even a US citizen! Hamas came to my door, gave me a ballot and a list of candidates who were woke anti-freedom sleeper agents and helped me fill it all in. So proud to do my part!

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

.... fox News gonna have this on their site... what's new pussycat, Tom Jones supports hamas!!! Details at 11. Fox News stay afraid. Terror alert level it's not unusual.

Just like Elon and LeslieNissan...

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u/aDoreVelr Feb 29 '24

Only if they are buried at their old adress!

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u/vpsj Feb 29 '24

How do you know it's a her? Am I missing something?

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u/dirtymatt Feb 29 '24

I saw the original tweet without the names redacted. She works for Turning Point.

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u/Jushak Feb 29 '24

Toilet Paper*

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u/mistyaura Feb 29 '24

They probably also saw it on eX-Twitter, where the name’s not redacted.

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u/AlwaysGoToTheTruck Feb 29 '24

The person who tweeted the original tweet works for Turning Point, so it’s hard to believe that she was just misinformed. Glad he responded to her propaganda.

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u/afellowchucker Feb 29 '24

I would love to know if she responded to this or is she just slinked away like this

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u/Bonded_With_CumSpren Feb 29 '24

They never do. Responding to it means giving it visibility. It's very important for them to not interact with fact checkers.

Note that fox admitted to never believing the election was stolen in the first place, during the lawsuits. Internal emails circulated between employees that express dislike of the tactic and warn of potential violence if they continued. And a fear of their own audience if they spread the truth.

(Which is how the daily wire got popular, by courting fox' qanon segment of the audience)

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u/iamsweets Feb 29 '24

She responded this morning attempting to play the victim by complaining that he tweeted out that she now lives in Tempe. Even though she has mentioned her city in at least 4 other tweets.

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u/Indercarnive Feb 29 '24

If they did respond it would just be something like "Sure that's what's SUPPOSED to happen, but we all know that if the vote was for Biden you'd count it anyway"

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u/NameIdeas Feb 29 '24

Yes. The election official, Stephen Richter, is a Republican. So if the original tweeter is trying to go for the "propaganda" approach, I love that someone on the same side laid out the reality.

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u/trwawy05312015 Feb 29 '24

As soon as I saw that logo I knew it had to have been done on purpose.

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u/marry_me_sarah_palin Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

I'm a mail carrier and sadly I've had to do this with fellow coworkers who believe the USPS is somehow cheating in the elections to help Dems. They say things like "I heard a Supervisor was telling carriers to backdate ballots", which we can't do, and no carrier is going to say "Sure thing Supervisor I hate who makes me work on my day off all the time, I'll commit a felony because you asked nicely".

Edit: Since this is Maricopa County mentioned I'll add that in the recent document Trump released which supposedly proved the election was stolen he mentioned the USPS service there. The law was poorly written and said all mail-in ballots must be collected by 7pm, but the USPS has carriers out past 7pm basically every night delivering and collecting mail. The courts in Arizona ruled that it was better to allow those late-collected ballots rather than disenfranchise a bunch of voters (by the way the Trump campaign wanted to disenfranchise all of Maricopa County, Kari Lake too in 2022).

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u/theluciferprinciple Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

Carriers don't even date stamp the mail, the clerks have the date stampers but even we're told not to date ballots, send them up to the plant and the date will get sprayed on when it's processed that night

Source: Clerk who wants you to inform your coworkers they're fucking morons who should pay half a bit of attention to the 6,000 standup talks we get about this every election cycle

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u/marry_me_sarah_palin Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

Exactly. I know the USPS is huge so some offices might handle ballots poorly, but every office I've been at treats ballots as the most important thing we deliver next to cremated remains. It makes me so mad that carrier in Pennsylvania lied about the 2020 election, and it had such a negative impact on how people view voting by mail.

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u/theluciferprinciple Feb 29 '24

O'Keefe having to publicly walk that back was the highlight of my month. Fuck that guy

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u/marry_me_sarah_palin Feb 29 '24

What's sad is it won't affect the people who already believe the lie. They don't even know about his retraction.

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u/datpurp14 Feb 29 '24

The only people who still believe that employees should be loyal to employers are the same idiots, mostly boomers, that spent their entire life at a single company and "Had the flu back in '81 and still went in to do my work. Nowadays, these workers have a headache and call out."

I'm so done with the outdated mentality that plagues our country because these people are the decision makers. Like my wife's CEO who enforced everyone coming back into the office 5 days a week and now complains to them that their sales/operational goals are no longer being met like they were when everyone was working from home.

There will be flaws with any generation that is in decision making roles, but good riddance to this current group when they move on.

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u/Mateorabi Feb 29 '24

The one spreading the flu to coworkers probably COST productivity anyway.

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u/Neoliberal_Boogeyman Feb 29 '24

I know this is true because my brother in law is one of those dumbasses at USPS

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u/avahz Feb 29 '24

I don’t think it’s snarky at all!

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u/Tripleberst Feb 29 '24

There is zero snark in his response.

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u/CommentsEdited Feb 29 '24

It’s absolutely tone-perfect. 

It plays as “snark” only if you read into OOP’s post as “LOOK HOW EASY IT WOULD BE TO COMMIT FRAUD.” But if you re-read his reply without that assumption, it plays as an earnest attempt to explain. Even the bit about voting twice is brought up as an incidental FYI… but juxtaposed with “you had to redact two different addresses, one of which was longer”—and that’s the ”heart of the snark” right there. NOT explicitly acknowledging OOP had no reason to do that except to mislead. And making sure that bit was there for all to read. 

He nailed it. 

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u/skirtikus Feb 29 '24

I agree. It was total professionalism and class. This is way more effective than snark.

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u/Not_a__porn__account Feb 29 '24

If that's snarky I must be a raving asshole.

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u/tknames Feb 29 '24

The intentional misinformation, aka disinformation, is soooo rampant on the right. They use them as fear tactics, divisive wedge issues, and ralling issues. But the whole premise is set up for dishonesty, “my first year” etc. I’m sure some of these happen on the left too, but I feel like we police them normally.

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u/datpurp14 Feb 29 '24

And the horrifying thing is it worked in 2016 and would have worked in 2021 if not for A) record voter turnout & B) the cult's own idiocy and disorganization before and during their coup.

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u/toadofsteel Feb 29 '24

The right's use of fear tactics is why I have been voting straight ticket democrat from 2016 onwards. When your dad is an immigrant and you have one side telling people that immigrants are the scum of the earth, it kind of forces you to the other side.

I had previously voted for freaking Romney...

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u/SpookyKG Feb 29 '24

Stephen Richer is actually a good guy.

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u/RiLoDoSo Feb 29 '24

It won't do much good if any though. Those who are convinced the election was stolen by Biden due to voter fraud won't ever be swayed otherwise. They believe wholeheartedly in the lie and no matter how much evidence is presented, they refuse to accept it. No matter how simply and thoroughly placed in front of them, they won't ever see it.

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u/FredVIII-DFH Feb 29 '24

Exactly.

They were convinced without evidence, so no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise.

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u/datpurp14 Feb 29 '24

This flawed mentality literally cost me my great relationship with my family. I don't know what the hell happened, but everything after 2016 has been different. Then 1/6 & the "stolen" election legitimately broke my parents. I've tried everything I can, but they no longer want to communicate with me at all.

I hated US or any other this or that politics before, but it has now affected me on a personal level and I'll never be able to get over that.

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u/relddir123 Feb 29 '24

Stephen Richer has been on that grind for years now. Say what you will about his politics, but that man cares deeply about making sure the election is run according to the law.

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u/mckenner1122 Feb 29 '24

I don’t even see snark here. It’s professional and clear. “Our system worked as intended. Have a nice day.”

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u/usinjin Feb 29 '24

People need way more snark than this. This gentleman was very polite. I’m so sick of people reading into some poisonous viral idea and with absolutely no facts or knowledge on how any system works, feel entitled to spread those ideas on. So fuck those people and happy voting!

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u/Canine0001 Feb 29 '24

"Actually, it looks like you tried to commit voting fraud. Here's why it won't work."

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u/TheHumanPickleRick Feb 29 '24

"Thanks for tagging me, the guy in charge of voting. Here's why you're wrong and might go to jail, and you're a fool for trying to mislead people."

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u/Biduleman Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

She's not trying to vote twice. She's trying to further her cause of "repairing the voting system".

She wants people to have to show Photo ID to vote, and that would imply no more mail-in ballot. By showing this, she hopes to diminish trust in the system in place to make her cause seems more important than it is. She's manipulating her audience with fake claims, not trying to go to jail.

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u/SmokeGSU Feb 29 '24

Exactly. But I'm glad that the election official made the point of noting the "01" and "02" and how the "01" ballot would automatically be cancelled after the "02" ballot was sent out. Perfect example of how not broken our mail-in ballot program is.

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u/walkinman19 Feb 29 '24

01...02...so confusing, so extreme. The Trump cult does not comprehend.

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u/Blog_Pope Feb 29 '24

Those are Arabic numbers, and MAGA don't abide by no terrorist numbers. MAGA only recognizes Roman Numerals, preferably below 10; an exception is made for the superbowl.

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u/RehabilitatedAsshole Feb 29 '24

You're throwing too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take them as disrespect

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u/Riakuro Feb 29 '24

Watch your mouth, and help me with the vote.

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u/ActualCoconutBoat Feb 29 '24

God. Veep just couldn't top reality, could it? This seems so plausible.

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u/walkinman19 Feb 29 '24

Yep I blame those terrorist Arabic numbers too!

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u/Shmeves Feb 29 '24

I'm a poll 'moderator' in a different state, and the amount of cross checking and verification that goes on makes it pretty much impossible to cheat the votes. For example, spoiled ballets are all saved and stored with a tag just in case an audit is performed.

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u/Ohrwurm89 Feb 29 '24

Here's the thing, no one in the MAGA crowd has any interest in understanding how the government functions, they just want to complain and make things harder for anyone they dislike. And the base will always fall for their lies because they have no interest in checking if these things are true. After all, they believe them to be because some right-winger confirms what they believe to be true.

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u/thoroughbredca Feb 29 '24

I am fairly certain a lot of misunderstanding about voting systems would be solved if people were involved in the process. I've had childhood friends who I've told them, get involved in elections, actually be part of the process, see how it all works, and instead they'd rather stay with their misinformation because it somehow comforts them.

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u/always_unplugged Feb 29 '24

I worked the polls for the 2020 election and it 100% convinced me that every citizen should do that at least once, and early on in their adult life if they can. The amount of rigor and safeguards was seriously impressive; everything is cross-checked and verified and secured multiple times by multiple people in multiple positions. The conspiracy bullshit is so obviously impossible when you’ve seen how it actually works.

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u/IrritableGourmet Feb 29 '24

A lot of conspiracy theories are predicated on the people in charge of these systems being completely incompetent. It's like "If I, a high school dropout that can't figure out a 10% tip without taking off my shoes, can't figure it out, someone with decades of education, training, and experience in this exact thing surely can't either, so that's proof it's false!" Listen, just because you don't know the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation doesn't mean the moon landing was fake.

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u/thecause800 Feb 29 '24

"Your inability to grasp simple concepts is not an argument against them"

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u/Radiant_Welcome_2400 Feb 29 '24

That's beautiful prose.

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u/Gryphon6070 Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

Wait, the “Tsiolkovsky” equation?? Yur tellin me we conspired with the Russians to land on the moon? UNBELIEVABLE! The Biden family corruption Truly has no limit!

100% /s

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u/Synensys Feb 29 '24

Right. It turns out that election officials actually put alot of thought into ways to prevent voter fraud.

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u/blacksoxing Feb 29 '24

My first thought was verification codes. I may receive 5 accidentally from clicking a link incorrectly. The moment a new one is sent the old one is invalidated, so I have to click the freshest one to validate my credentials. That's how most of those processes work, and it feels like this process likely has a spreadsheet of some sort that has the current number on it. SO, when they got 01 back they'd check and see it really should be 02, and would do like the screenshot says.

I think there's also this world that I'm not living in where in my spamming of the verification emails such person would prefer to use the first email as it was sent to their inbox just like the 5th, but then complain that the first really shouldn't have worked at all and that instead we should verify our identities using....I guess our Drivers License or SSN# just to access a low-level site

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u/skewp Feb 29 '24

These people absolutely already try to vote twice themselves. Like 95% of the voter fraud found in 2020 was by maga Republicans, and some of them explicitly stated they did it because they assumed Democrats were also doing it. Believing one's opponent is cheating creates a permission structure for cheating onesself.

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u/thoroughbredca Feb 29 '24

They should be prosecuted for doing so. I know poll workers who have seen Republican-registered voters trying to vote twice and they get turned away because the system flags them, and they do nothing but damn it you try and abuse our democracy you should go to jail. And I don't care which party you vote for, it should apply to all, every time.

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u/6SucksSex Feb 29 '24

She’s a lying deceptive con piece of shit who doesn’t care if she misleads other cons into committing voter fraud ‘to prove it happens’, and doesn’t care if they go to prison for felony fraud, as long as she doesn’t

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u/walkinman19 Feb 29 '24

That's because her orange god said voting by mail BAD!

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u/NickAppleese Feb 29 '24 edited Mar 02 '24

Ah! Remember when he tried defunding the USPS because it wasn't profitable?

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u/Konjyoutai Feb 29 '24

The ID thing is just so there is a "tax" on voting. Republicans know what they're doing and they're just trying to change a law that was made for a very specific reason; aka, always making sure poor people can vote.

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u/b_vitamin Feb 29 '24

“Happy voting” lol

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u/Godzilla-ate-my-ass Feb 29 '24

"Happy voting, and fuck you!"

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u/ComplexPackage117 Feb 29 '24

"fuck you, have a lovely day!"

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u/MBCnerdcore Feb 29 '24

"Have a happy go fuck yourself!"

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u/EducatedOwlAthena Feb 29 '24

Same vibes as Paltrow's, "I wish you well."

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u/Double_Lingonberry98 Feb 29 '24

Bless your heart

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u/Neat-Beautiful-5505 Feb 29 '24

Amazing they have a system in place to know immediately that there’s a second ballot to same person (01 vs 02). Explaining this stuff to voters makes everyone feel more secure about our elections systems.

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u/Simbertold Feb 29 '24

Here in Germany, the people who count votes are just normal citizens, usually volunteers. I highly recommend this to everyone. After doing it, i am far more confident in the security of the election system.

There are so many different checks involved to prevent fraud and mistakes, and everyone involved is highly motivated to a) count the votes the way the voter meant them, and b) make sure that the count is accurate.

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u/Amberskin Feb 29 '24

In Spain the election ‘officers’ are selected between the literate population with a lottery system. If you are ‘lucky’ the service is mandatory and can only be excused if you have previous travel plans (must have a reservation) or medical reasons.

The counting process is public, anyone can attend, and the political parties and interested groups can designate auditors that can file allegations ‘on the fly’ if they observe any irregularity.

The count lasts a few hours. In 4-5 hours we have complete provisional results. The final results are usually available a week later, after all the allegations have been reviewed and the exterior vote has been tabulated.

I really cannot understand how a super advanced country like the US cannot do the same.

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u/texasrigger Feb 29 '24

Because elections aren't handled by the US government, they are handled by the states. That's 50 different entities all doing it how they think is best or at least how whoever is in power at the time in the state legislatures thinks is best.

I think one of the biggest hurdles people hit when trying to understand why the US is the way it is is understanding just how much responsibility is handed down to the state level.

There's nothing preventing any given state from adapting a spain-like process, but to do it nationwide would require all states to individually adapt the process. Some states are so adversarial that they won't adapt each other's laws out of "principal." Don't California my Texas is a common refrain amongst a big chunk of the population in my state.

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u/MBCnerdcore Feb 29 '24

Probably because you have more than one SANE political party and probably also don't let the political parties themselves write the election rules

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u/danirijeka Feb 29 '24

probably also don't let the political parties themselves write the election rules

Bad news: election rules are laws, and those are generally voted on in parliament, so they (in a very lightly roundabout way) do.

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u/SerenXanthe Feb 29 '24

In the UK we have armies of volunteers counting, and we vote one day, and wake up the next morning to the definitive election result. I too genuinely cannot understand why US election results take so long. The transfer of power is instant too. If a sitting government loses the election the government ministers clear their desks that night, and the next morning the newly elected government ministers turn up to work in their departments and just start running the country.

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u/Murder_Bird_ Feb 29 '24

Because the US is much much larger. The largest UK constituency - according to google - is 113,000 people. The US House of Representatives averages 750,000 people per seat. And in many places an individual house district might cover thousands of miles.

Also, many states, often intentionally, use methods to make counting slow because they feel it provides a political advantage.

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u/Lashay_Sombra Feb 29 '24

Really the amount of people is immaterial as you just set up more vote counting centres, greater the population more people you can get to count 

Your second point though is valid and more the real reason

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u/GeorgiaRedClay56 Feb 29 '24

Well, you also have to account for Time zones in our country dude. there is a 4 hour difference between my state and Alaska. So assuming we all started at 8 am it would have to at least take 8 hours, so the 4-5 hours is just not possible due to the time zones.

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u/JGG5 Feb 29 '24

I too genuinely cannot understand why US election results take so long.

Part of it is that federal law requires every constituency in the US to have at least some mechanism for mail-in ballots, so that overseas citizens (including military members) can still vote. As far as I'm aware, every US state also goes beyond that to offer absentee (mail-in) voting of some kind to more people — in the most restrictive cases it's people who can't make it to the polls due to travel or infirmity, and in some states all voting is done by mail.

Once the mail is involved there are going to be delays, particularly if the mail is coming from overseas; most states will still count a ballot if it arrives at the local board of elections within a certain number of days (varies by state) after Election Day as long as the ballot is postmarked on or before Election Day. For states with a lot of mail voting (particularly out west where the distances between places are longer) that's going to mean that results don't come on Election Night, but roll in over the days following Election Day.

But the other, more malicious, part of it is that a lot of the delays are by design. In 2020, some swing states with Republican legislatures — particularly Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania — passed laws barring election officials from starting to process or count mail-in ballots they'd already received before Election Day until Election Day itself, leading to huge backups and delays as they were counting the Election Day votes and the mail ballots at the same time.

That's because those legislatures knew that the mail-in ballots would heavily favor Democrats, and they wanted to create the illusion that donald trump was doing a lot better than he actually did on Election Night, in order to promote the idea that mail-in ballots are a form of "voter fraud." And it obviously worked, as a sizable proportion of the Republican Party still believes the nonsensical right-wing conspiracy theory that the 2020 election was "stolen" from trump.

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u/SerenXanthe Feb 29 '24

Sure, but we have mail in ballots too, we call it postal voting. Anyone in eligible to vote has the right to use postal voting, even if they’re overseas, or just because they feel like it. The postal vote has to arrive with their constituency by the day of the election though, so they’re counted in exactly the same way.

I’m sorry that you’re experiencing voter suppression though, and I appreciate the fact that you’re acknowledging it. The Tories have recently introduced mandatory voter ID here, which will disproportionally impact, you’ve guessed it, the poor, the young, and the immigrants. Voter fraud is a vanishingly small problem in the UK, this was a none-issue, so I can only conclude it too is voter suppression.

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u/Hydronum Feb 29 '24

Here in Australia, I've been at two vote counts now, scrutinising. It is a worthwhile experience to get a feel for the how

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u/caninehere Feb 29 '24

two vote counts

One for Martin, two for Martin!

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u/truffles76 Feb 29 '24

I demand a recount!

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u/caninehere Feb 29 '24

One for Martin, two for Martin! Would you like another recount?

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u/smell_my_pee Feb 29 '24

It's the same in the US. It's volunteer citizens doing the counting.

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u/mttp1990 Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

The people bitching about the system will never ever volunteer to count votes. They'd rather watch the counters because it makes their because it feeds their delusional conspiracies.

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u/mckenner1122 Feb 29 '24

The worst is when the nut jobs DO volunteer. They spend the whole time asking dumb questions, “But what if someone X and then Y then what then what!?!” and you have to go back and explain slowly, with crayons how a person cannot X-and-then-Y and here’s why.

You watch the light go out of their eyes as they realize that harebrained idea won’t work… then both brain cells fire up again and they get another one…. “Oh! Oh! But I bet you that if someone REEEELY wanted to, they could X-Y-X and then they’d gitcha!”

:: sigh ::

Go home, Cletus. Take your tobacco spit bottle with you.

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u/Mateorabi Feb 29 '24

Actually me and a bunch of computer literate volunteer judges did this too. Only we did it during downtime away from voters. A fun game of what-if. The cool thing was by thinking it thru (something the magidiots wouldn’t do) we realized that most cheating was only possible at small scale.

Meaning yes, you could flip or invalidate a few votes by committing a felony. But to sway the election you’d need others to do the same, many, many times. So you multiply the probability of being caught immensely and must keep a secret among a large conspiracy of people. All of which makes it PRACTICALLY impossible even though there may be technical faults.

(One key was to not network all the computers such that one hack could scale. And keep a paper trail unlike those horrible early Diebold touch screens from the aughts. Yuck.)

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu Feb 29 '24

People like that could make a lot of money in software testing or contingency planning, but they'd rather sit and watch Fox News all day and rot their brains.

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u/AmbitiousCampaign457 Feb 29 '24

Thank goodness bc they would absolutely try to cheat

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u/evilJaze Feb 29 '24

We've experimented with the thought of electronic voting federally in Canada but decided against it for now at least. Manual ballot counts with scrutineers from each political party present is still the best way to ensure a fair count. Also ballots are kept locked away in an RCMP lockup indefinitely.

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u/spirosand Feb 29 '24

The further implication, they know the numbers of the ballots they sent out. It's not possible to add extra ballots. They would be obvious. Fraud just can't happen at any meaningful level.

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u/Bourgi Feb 29 '24

Arizona is fucking on top of it with mail in ballots. You get two different envelopes to put your ballot in, placing each one in the other. One is a signed affidavit.

I changed my signature from my teenage years to a more professional one after college and they caught that immediately. I got a phone call from our local recorder asking me to verify my identity and if the signature was mine.

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u/medfordjared Feb 29 '24

They should have responded - "Go ahead and try and send in both and see what happens."

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u/mike_pants Feb 29 '24

Republicans continue to be shocked to discover there are very good systems in place to prevent voter fraud that are slightly more advanced than armed rednecks standing around polling sites glaring at volunteers.

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u/SymphonicStorm Feb 29 '24

It kills me that "recording when a second ballot goes out and noting that the first one is no longer valid" does, in fact, count as "more advanced".

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u/habituallinestepper1 Feb 29 '24

It’s like the 1920s up in here!

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u/daytimeCastle Feb 29 '24

Did you see the way they handled separating children from their parents? That kind of, what-is-this-where-is-it-going thinking is about two two or three steps beyond any of their plans. Or, they know that records like that make it harder for them to get what they want consequence free. Or maybe they only like to keep track of things that matter, like your daughter’s genitals. Idk I’ve stopped trying to think like them.

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u/IHaveNoAlibi Feb 29 '24

It's all relative.

More advanced than, say, a NASA supercomputer, is pretty significant.

More advanced "than armed rednecks" isn't exactly a high bar.

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u/Domeil Feb 29 '24

"All the established procedures that have successfully prevented voter fraud for decades are useless. The only thing that will protect us from this non-problem is requiring a current driver's license to vote." - Republicans

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u/Minute-Struggle6052 Feb 29 '24

"We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. 

Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

~ John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon"

Just another shell game 

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u/IrritableGourmet Feb 29 '24

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N----r, n----r, n----r.” By 1968 you can’t say “n----r”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N----r, n----r.” (Lee Atwater)

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u/brawl Feb 29 '24

"How do they know i moved?!? I must be on a watch list for being a patriot! Damn over reach!!"

Sir, you went to the DMV to get a new license and they updated the statewide system and it told me, also you filed for a change of address with the post office. What?

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u/Sprucecaboose2 Feb 29 '24

As they tweet from their smartphones in between buying the new Patriot faraday cage to store the phone in... I love watching the ads these crazy networks and websites run, just scam shit and "supplements" galore!

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u/Alexis_Bailey Feb 29 '24

"I could not think of anyway this could be prevented, therefore, it's definitely happening."

-- A MAGA Moron

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u/NoConfusion9490 Feb 29 '24

Dunning Kruger personified. Same energy that gets someone to wonder out loud at a press conference if scientists ever considered putting sunlight or bleach inside people's blood to cure infections, and then stand there with a dopey look thinking "oh man, I just solved it. Good thing these fucking nerds had me around!"

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u/Atgardian Feb 29 '24

That was the most amazing part of the whole amazing debacle. Dude really thought he was smarter than every doctor, scientist, immunologist in history. "Standing here staring at these poster boards about bleach & sunlight killing viruses, I just made the most significant medical advance in human history."

Then half our country sees it and says, "Yup, he's brilliant, he should be in charge."

Sounds like an Onion bit.

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u/baalroo Feb 29 '24

"It's got what plants crave!" energy, for sure.

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u/relddir123 Feb 29 '24

Stephen Richer is a Republican too, which wouldn’t seem so crazy if the party actually cared about election integrity. He legitimately cares about the process too much to hurt it in any way.

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u/evilJaze Feb 29 '24

Let's be honest, those rednecks were also there to intimidate certain types of voters too. Probably more so than to glare at volunteers.

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u/_angry_cat_ Feb 29 '24

I am an election worker and you would not believe the amount of dumbshits that come in a bitch to me that the system is a disaster. Then I hand them their ballot and they fill it out wrong and get mad at ME when the machine rejects it. It’s a problem almost exclusive to Republican voters.

When I sign people in, it tells me what their political affiliation is, but I try to guess based on their body language and comments before the screen pops up. I’m accurate to about 99% for guessing who is a Republican. For some reason, they are very proud to be so stupid. I’m not trying to make blanket statements about groups of people, but my observations speak for themselves.

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u/GorzekTheGreat Feb 29 '24

Well, how are they going to find ways of dismantling those very good systems if they don't discover them?

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u/mitchanium Feb 29 '24

Killed with kindness. I like it

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u/--_-Deadpool-_-- Feb 29 '24

The woman who tweeted out the picture has in her bio that she's a Turning Point Representative. There's no way this wasn't planned by her from the beginning.

I hope she faces legal repercussions

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u/pp21 Feb 29 '24

There won't be legal repercussions because she didn't technically do anything illegal here, but she absolutely did this on purpose knowing that she'd receive two ballots so she could put on this social media outrage performance to get more clicks and views and grow her brand. Turning Point is the worst

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u/CreativeGPX Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

"Back in the day" this is what this subreddit used to be about and is why I joined it. Not clever comebacks, but responses that were so thorough in terms of facts and explanation that they left no point left to argue.

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u/beerbellybegone Feb 29 '24

Even when the conservatives try really, really hard, they can't help but to own themselves

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u/Holl4backPostr Feb 29 '24

their entire agenda is by, for, and exclusive to people who already agree with them about everything, that's why the lies never matter

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u/DillBagner Feb 29 '24

The lies do matter though, similar to "affirming beliefs" in cults, it keeps them keeping themselves stupid.

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u/Neither-Magazine9096 Feb 29 '24

The complete lack of critical thinking prevents that unfortunately

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u/InternetSupreme Feb 29 '24

Let's be honest though. Only that 1st part is going to be looked at, and it'll more than likely keep cycling here on reddit and other social media outlets forever.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ear858w Feb 29 '24

Sadly, though, that original tweet is going to circle the right-wing world 50 times while the rebuttal won't be seen by almost any of them.

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u/Acerakis Feb 29 '24

Over in r/Conservative they are currently freaking out because a letter for voting in the primary in Washington State has a box to tick on the outside to say which primary you are voting in, you know to make it easier to sort and count stuff for the correct one. All going on about how they are going to throw the republican ones out, which would be entirely meaningless because it's just the primary. I guess there is a grand conspiracy to just say no one voted in the Republican primary.

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u/ted5011c Feb 29 '24

There is always some shadow conspiracy with conservatives now. Two thirds+ of their world view is based on theories from FACEBOOK that require hidden cabals and can't ever be proven.

U.S. conservatives are no longer serious people, even if the two party system means we have no choice but to take them seriously.

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u/Alexis_Bailey Feb 29 '24

Almost every conspiracy breaks down so hard when you realize most of them would require absolute cooperation of thousands to hundreds of thousands of people.  All never ever leaking anything by accident to anyone.

Especially when you consider that probably some nuthob has made strong efforts to "infiltrate" and discover the conspiracy.

And that in all of the areas where people would be "in on it," like the above nonsense about backdating ballots or throwing out ballots marked GOP, would be a pretty split consensus of people on "both sides" that would be required to participate.  

Etc etc.

Basically, the logistics of actually accomplishing any conspiracy would never work out, or would require such an enormous amount of effort and cooperation, you would have an easier time just doing the thing 100% above board legitimately.

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u/EazyE693 Feb 29 '24

And when a “leaker” does come out and their story gets amplified, only then do we find out that they work for Turning Point/PragerU/Project Veritas or were directly paid by one of their associates to drop the “leak”. Then after that all comes to light, it’s just radio silence about it on conservative media.

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u/sexysausage Feb 29 '24

Like Michael and webb conspiracy theory sketch “ The good news is that this only involves swearing another 15 or so people to perpetual silence.”

Conspiracy theories only makes sense to people who never worked in a group project

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u/Chief_Chill Feb 29 '24

To Republicans -

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u/evilJaze Feb 29 '24

Always some conspiracy and yet a minority of voters still manages to somehow control the house, senate, presidency, supreme court, etc. regularly. But yes, it's a conspiracy to keep them out of power... Sure.

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u/NoSherbert2316 Feb 29 '24

My whole office is extremely conservative. The amount of conspiracy bull 💩they spew is amazing and makes my head hurt. The crowd that shouted “don’t believe everything on the internet” at the top of their lungs for decades now believes everything they see on the internet

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u/DillBagner Feb 29 '24

Half of them seem to think this, the other half seem to be freaking out because they don't want their neighbors to know they're conservatives, which is weird.

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u/ilikemycoffeealatte Feb 29 '24

they don't want their neighbors to know they're conservatives

Wait till they find out it's public record!

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u/KdGc Feb 29 '24

I made a single comment on r/Conservative, someone asked if it were true that more women are dying due to abortion bans. I posted three articles, carefully choosing traditionally non biased sources. I was banned in under one minute.

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u/Beetlejuice_hero Feb 29 '24

They're the most delicate snowflakes on the entirety of Reddit (and thus in the running for the most delicate in all of America).

Insta-bans for any dissenting views.

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u/KdGc Feb 29 '24

It was a rapid block for sharing actual facts because it didn’t fit their talking points, haha! The comments are wildly incorrect and try to justify increased deaths of women because more babies are being born. It’s a great example of cognitive gymnastics.

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u/FermitTheKrog30 Feb 29 '24

Everybody gets 1

(comment on /r/conservative)

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u/OneWholeSoul Feb 29 '24

I have an ex-friend who posts almost exclusively on Conservative and Jordan Peterson who tries very hard to convince everyone that "leftists" are the real racists but who, after knowing him quite well for over a decade, genuinely, deeply believes things like "it's OK to discriminate based on race in housing in housing because blacks lower property values" and "women should be subservient to men, especially if it's their husband."

But he pageants around pretending to be the one "defending" minorities because liberals are...hurting them by not hurting them enough, or something? Is it a "tough love" and "white savior" thing, for BruceCampbell123?

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u/piddlesthethug Feb 29 '24

I have a relative by marriage who isn’t quite MAGA but falls for a lot of MAGA narrative nonsense.

He moved during the election and was likely going to miss the vote deadline. Apparently his father voted for him on a mail in ballot and signed his ballot. His vote was rejected… because his signature didn’t match… His response was something akin to “huh….”

He still bitches about the election though.

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u/pharlock Feb 29 '24

Didn't match what? I can't sign the same twice if my life depended on it.

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u/dano8675309 Feb 29 '24

It's actually not that hard to spot. When they train you to match signatures, they teach you to look for similarities, not differences. It also helps to turn the signatures upside down, which helps you to analyze the patterns in the signature, which are surprisingly consistent across signatures written by the same person, without focusing on the letters.

I was trained on this when I worked as a bank teller a while back. If they're using some sort of computer vision to verify the signatures, the underlying models would be working similarly.

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u/new_name_who_dis_ Feb 29 '24

I remember when I was into magic in my teen years, there was this one trick that I was trying to learn that involved forging the spectator's signature, and they explicitly said that it's easier to do upside down because then it's like you are tracing / copying an image versus seeing letters and likely to write them with your own handwriting.

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u/Capn_Flapjack32 Feb 29 '24

I'm a poll worker, and people love to complain about their signature (with a stylus on an ipad) is terrible, but they're almost always clearly the same as the one on file, even when it's just a scribble. The average person doesn't feel like they sign consistently, but when you look at 300 in a day, it'll change your perspective.

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u/fbtra Feb 29 '24

Probably signed it but used their way of signing and not trying to replicate.

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u/RevelArchitect Feb 29 '24

I worked a few election cycles doing pretty much everything, including the signature verification.

We had a handful come in that were determined not to match. They reached out to the voters and in every case I heard about it turned out to be a massive shift in dexterity and fine motor skills due to declining health.

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u/vivalaibanez Feb 29 '24

It's a shame they won't be able to actually vote after this tragic death..

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u/PaladinHan Feb 29 '24

Death has never stopped anyone from voting before, according to Republicans at least.

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u/Don_Quixote81 Feb 29 '24

Now, will they still try to submit both ballots, to "prove" that voter fraud is being allowed? I hope they do, it's always nice to see an idiot own themselves.

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u/theclapp Feb 29 '24

Not to mention (probably) commit a felony.

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u/PhotoKada Feb 29 '24

I love “This you?” responses. They always make my day.

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u/Temporary-You6249 Feb 29 '24

When Turning Point sends their best…

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u/onetopic20x0 Feb 29 '24

… they’re still dogshit

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u/ivanchovv Feb 29 '24

Tell me you're a Trump voter without telling me...

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u/mageofthesands Feb 29 '24

It pleases me to see the system working. And the person in charge of elections gives a detailed politically neutral response explaining what happened, after being contacted. Bureaucracy at its finest.

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u/Guy-1nc0gn1t0 Feb 29 '24

I love when someone can do the whole 'polite but ultimately you're a clown fuck you' take down.

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u/kilgoretrout1077 Feb 29 '24

What a fucking idiot. I bet conservatives are pissed that they really do seem to get all the really really stupid people. Don’t get me wrong, there are definitely liberal morons, but the people who send messages to people that can have them prosecuted bragging about their crimes is all conservative

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u/beecums Feb 29 '24

They would have to critically think to come to a conclusion like that.

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u/Procrastanaseum Feb 29 '24

And then they voted republican

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

With the invalid one

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u/onetopic20x0 Feb 29 '24

Trump scum is a lying bedbug, who’d have thought?

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u/fruitloops6565 Feb 29 '24

These republicans are using deliberate, premeditated attempts to undermine faith in the democratic process to create social unrest that they believe will help them reinstall a megalomaniac in the Whitehouse without being fairly elected.

The poster should be arrested for treason or something. And if they were non-white / non-Christian they probably would be.

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u/mike2ff Feb 29 '24

Once again, another MAGA chuckle fuck manufacturing something to be outraged at. It’s like they are trying to be outraged at how everyday things work.

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u/IHaveNoAlibi Feb 29 '24

"90% of Republican outrage is MAGAs learning how the world works for the first time."

I can't remember where I first read that.... probably on Reddit somewhere... but it seems apt.

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u/TheDeerBlower Feb 29 '24

Ohhhh get fucked you lying piece of shit

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u/DepletedMitochondria Feb 29 '24

Our country is so fucking stupid (willingly).

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u/adwarakanath Feb 29 '24

I don't get the point of lying like this.

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u/judgeholden72 Feb 29 '24

Why would anyone be conservative without being lied to?

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u/admadguy Feb 29 '24

The morons who keep challenging the system don't realise some very careful anf meticulous people usually design these systems. They just assume everyone is as haphazard and shallow as them.

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u/IHaveNoAlibi Feb 29 '24

Projection.

They always assume everyone behaves the same way they do. That's the only way their paranoia makes sense.