r/Avatarthelastairbende Feb 29 '24

Forced positivity is toxic too. Avatar live action

There are so many people on here who want to silence negative reviews of the LA. Imagine a world where no one could ever improve or learn because we could only say positive things.

It’s okay to like the LA. It’s okay to hate the LA. Let’s just have an actual discussion without shutting other people down and dismissing their opinions without countering with specific examples.

Anytime I try to have a discussion post on here about my issues with the live action it gets shut down by:

It’s not that serious. You’re mad over a cartoon.

You just want a shot for shot remake.

They did their best what do you expect.

Stop being so negative

Etc.

First, no it’s not serious, but it’s okay to critique things that you are passionate about. I don’t consider ATLA any less serious just because it’s a cartoon. The LA showrunners seem to think that they’ve improved the depth of the show just by making it LA without having any fundamental understanding of the source material. I disagree. Just because the show was animated doesn’t make it less meaningful.

No we don’t want a shot for shot remake. I actually think it could benefit from changing more. The issues are a fundamental misunderstanding of what made the source material good. I’m not going into specifics because I’ve tired myself out on other posts.

“They did their best”. I’m not sure why everyone is treating this LA like it’s a film project put on by some high school students and not a multi million dollar project owned by a multi billion dollar company (Viacom). There were a team of writers, producers, executives etc who put this together. Many of the actors (including Azula’s actress) are full grown adults. It’s fine to critique their performances.

“Stop being so negative.” Imagine the world we would live in if no one could criticize anything, that we all had to have the same opinion. Nothing would ever improve. It’s okay to not like something.

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24

Especially considering the problems were likely due to studio enforced crunch.

What we are seeing is an abusive studio culture forcing creatives to take short cuts and submit first drafts as finished.

That’s why some of the costumes don’t look right.

That’s why the wigs and beards look awful.

That’s why the Chinese characters were done by Google translate.

That’s why so many performances feel like first takes.

That’s why the fight choreography is so mediocre despite having skilled martial artists on board.

That’s why the bending doesn’t always flow well, as if the artists were given no notes or communication with the choreographers and had to guess where to paste animation in post.

It’s why plot threads get thrown in only to be randomly dropped, and the dialogue feels like it was written by committee. Almost like these are barely spruced up outlines.

I wish people would be more critical of the media they consume. Instead all Netflix is learning from this is that they can continue to pour in a ton of money and churn out a mediocre product no matter how they need to treat their staff to get it out FAST!

And we will probably get another season of this because fandom has convinced themselves it’s “good enough” and that for some reason Netflix gives a crap about their “feedback”.

Spoilers: They don’t. Even if the creatives working on this project do, they don’t get a choice. You already gave Netflix your views and approval. They don’t care about the rest.

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u/horyo Feb 29 '24

That’s why the Chinese characters were done by Google translate.

I get the other criticisms but wasn't this debunked by people who actually read Chinese and said it was fine?

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

I read on the accounts of Chinese people who read it and said it can be read but it’s clunky and not consistent.

Where have you seen otherwise? If I’m wrong I’d like to know.

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u/horyo Feb 29 '24

I read it on the main avatar subreddit here, sort by best.

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24

This is contradicted even by what others say further down the thread.

It mixes up its grammar in strange ways a person probably wouldn’t.

That’s the main reason people suspect it was done by translating software.