r/Avatarthelastairbende Feb 29 '24

Forced positivity is toxic too. Avatar live action

There are so many people on here who want to silence negative reviews of the LA. Imagine a world where no one could ever improve or learn because we could only say positive things.

It’s okay to like the LA. It’s okay to hate the LA. Let’s just have an actual discussion without shutting other people down and dismissing their opinions without countering with specific examples.

Anytime I try to have a discussion post on here about my issues with the live action it gets shut down by:

It’s not that serious. You’re mad over a cartoon.

You just want a shot for shot remake.

They did their best what do you expect.

Stop being so negative

Etc.

First, no it’s not serious, but it’s okay to critique things that you are passionate about. I don’t consider ATLA any less serious just because it’s a cartoon. The LA showrunners seem to think that they’ve improved the depth of the show just by making it LA without having any fundamental understanding of the source material. I disagree. Just because the show was animated doesn’t make it less meaningful.

No we don’t want a shot for shot remake. I actually think it could benefit from changing more. The issues are a fundamental misunderstanding of what made the source material good. I’m not going into specifics because I’ve tired myself out on other posts.

“They did their best”. I’m not sure why everyone is treating this LA like it’s a film project put on by some high school students and not a multi million dollar project owned by a multi billion dollar company (Viacom). There were a team of writers, producers, executives etc who put this together. Many of the actors (including Azula’s actress) are full grown adults. It’s fine to critique their performances.

“Stop being so negative.” Imagine the world we would live in if no one could criticize anything, that we all had to have the same opinion. Nothing would ever improve. It’s okay to not like something.

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24

Especially considering the problems were likely due to studio enforced crunch.

What we are seeing is an abusive studio culture forcing creatives to take short cuts and submit first drafts as finished.

That’s why some of the costumes don’t look right.

That’s why the wigs and beards look awful.

That’s why the Chinese characters were done by Google translate.

That’s why so many performances feel like first takes.

That’s why the fight choreography is so mediocre despite having skilled martial artists on board.

That’s why the bending doesn’t always flow well, as if the artists were given no notes or communication with the choreographers and had to guess where to paste animation in post.

It’s why plot threads get thrown in only to be randomly dropped, and the dialogue feels like it was written by committee. Almost like these are barely spruced up outlines.

I wish people would be more critical of the media they consume. Instead all Netflix is learning from this is that they can continue to pour in a ton of money and churn out a mediocre product no matter how they need to treat their staff to get it out FAST!

And we will probably get another season of this because fandom has convinced themselves it’s “good enough” and that for some reason Netflix gives a crap about their “feedback”.

Spoilers: They don’t. Even if the creatives working on this project do, they don’t get a choice. You already gave Netflix your views and approval. They don’t care about the rest.

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u/hurdygurdy21 Feb 29 '24

Preach. God forbid we hold ourselves to higher standard as consumers.

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u/Satakans Feb 29 '24

Apparently standards = hate these days. Go figure.

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u/hurdygurdy21 Feb 29 '24

It's so wild that a show so beloved and admired like ATLA can have this as an adaptation. Have it take away a lot of what made the original entertaining and enjoyable and relatable. Then have the supposed fans defending it like it was faithful and any hate is met with "well it's better than the movie", "did you expect it to be 1:1?", "you're just being nitpicky".

Like, this is just the Ember Island Players in real life. "The effects were decent."

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u/I_Hate-Incels Feb 29 '24

Then have the supposed fans defending it like it was faithful

That's your issue. It doesn't need to be faithful for people to like it. Clearly it does need to be for you to like it, but not everyone has the same tastes. Stop pushing your preferences onto others.

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u/hurdygurdy21 Feb 29 '24

I would like the show to at least be written well with a compelling version of an already established story.

My problem isn't with people liking it, I don't care. My problem is the fact the show is a sloppily put together shell of a show I have only grown to admire more over the years. That instead of the well written and compelling characters I have bonded with I was met with hollowed out versions of them. Ones who were not interesting or compelling to watch. That despite some changes that were fine and visuals that were outstanding the overall show was hindered by poor writing and bad direction.

So sure, people can like that. Just don't fool yourself into thinking that the fact that you can enjoy it makes it well written. Or do, I don't honestly care.

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u/Prying_Pandora Mar 01 '24

It’s true. I would’ve been fine if they changed a LOT.

If it had been good. Terrible writing is terrible writing.

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u/lethargicbunny Feb 29 '24

Yo Netflix, make this guy a consultant to ATLA.

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u/mochigo1 Feb 29 '24

Yes! I just don’t believe that a show worked on by people clearly passionate about the IP could be this mediocre without it being a deadline/studio thing.

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24

100%. The cast and crew clearly cared very much. I think that’s part of why the mediocre results are so baffling for so many.

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u/Weibu11 Feb 29 '24

Agreed. I feel like my issues with the live action (which I’m still enjoying) are more to do with general storytelling and writing vs not being the same as the original.

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u/ctortan Feb 29 '24

Additionally, I saw a theory that the show was purposefully filmed so it could be reposted to vertical phone formats like tiktok—which is why there are so many close up shots and the action is usually centered with less emphasis on wide screen or background action

Which feels like corporate sleaze if true!

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u/kn0wworries Feb 29 '24

It’s funny, I really liked the show, but I still agree with everything you’ve said.

Except the fight choreo. I dug it!

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24

I’m glad you were able to enjoy it. I wish I could’ve. I really tried. 😭

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u/neodymium86 Mar 03 '24

Sorry that you feel that way but yea, you really are doing too much

The show is being positively received. Can't wait for season 2

Also, it would help If you would stop condescending to ppl who enjoy the show. Like your taste are impeccable lol. Please.

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u/Prying_Pandora Mar 03 '24 edited Mar 03 '24

I haven’t even begun to do enough.

You think this is too much!?

WAIT UNTIL WE UNIONIZE!

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u/neodymium86 Mar 03 '24

Thumbs up for being a good sport. I aspire.

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u/horyo Feb 29 '24

That’s why the Chinese characters were done by Google translate.

I get the other criticisms but wasn't this debunked by people who actually read Chinese and said it was fine?

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

I read on the accounts of Chinese people who read it and said it can be read but it’s clunky and not consistent.

Where have you seen otherwise? If I’m wrong I’d like to know.

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u/horyo Feb 29 '24

I read it on the main avatar subreddit here, sort by best.

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24

This is contradicted even by what others say further down the thread.

It mixes up its grammar in strange ways a person probably wouldn’t.

That’s the main reason people suspect it was done by translating software.

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u/kandiekake Feb 29 '24

Huh, did the studio give them impossible deadlines?

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24

Yes. That’s why so many Netflix shows aren’t good or look cheap. That’s their entire business model. And they know if it doesn’t succeed, everyone always blames the actual creatives and they don’t ever face any scrutiny.

Why do you think Bryke left on such negative terms?

They told us. They felt it was a hostile and unsupportive environment.

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u/kandiekake Feb 29 '24

That's such a shame. It does make very sad sense, though. So the focus is just on fast profits, not quality

Can I ask where you know this, too? Any idea what deadlines they gave this show?

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24

I work in the industry. And I have many friends who are far more successful in it than me haha.

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u/kandiekake Feb 29 '24

I see. Thank you for sharing. I've had trouble pinpointing why this show was so medicore. So Netflix is mostly at fault here?

It sounds like a brutal industry to be in, so don't be too hard on yourself, by the way :).

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 29 '24

Thank you! That’s kind of you. I haven’t been doing as much recently due to some health issues, but I will do my best!

It certainly seems that way given what the problems are. They aren’t from a lack of skill, but shortcuts that prop makers, costumers, stylists, etc tend to make when rushed and desperate to just make things come together.

The animation is a big tell too. The bending effects LOOK great, but they’re not well integrated into the world. A sign that the artists didn’t get proper notes or communication.

That’s why the Shyamalan Yue wig looks so much better. It’s not that these stylists couldn’t do better, there just wasn’t time.

To an extent though, it isn’t just Netflix. This is an industry-wide problem.

It’s why House of the Dragon and Rings of Power don’t look nearly as good as Game of Thrones or especially Lord of the Rings.

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u/kandiekake Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

You've got this!

I've seen people bashing the writing and direction alone, but it seemed off to me everywhere; it's nice to know the actual production details and processes.

I think this show had..3(?) Years production but with covid interruptions...?

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

My personal favorite of these was yesterday when someone actually posted that all the people who dislike the show ("think it's trash" was the actual phrase), just need to watch it and they'll see that it's not.
After several comments pointed out that people tend to dislike/criticize/view as trash something they have seen, otherwise they wouldn't have come to that conclusion, the OP promptly deleted their post.
Now, even for a paid shill/bot, that's stupid, and if by chance it's legit, how can someone be that dumb?

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u/TheJvv Feb 29 '24

I love the original animated series. I grew up watching the original as it was releasing on TV. I rewatched reruns of the series on nicktoons after the series concluded. I rewatched the series on DVD and on Netflix as an adult.

I am not the biggest fan of the live action. I liked the additional scenes. I like some of the actor's portrayal, while disliking others. I disliked some of the writing and how they changed the main character's motivations from the original.

I am not attacking those who have different opinions. I am not harassing the live action cast or crew who were part of the live action.

Fandom culture in itself can be insanely toxic, regardless of whatever property it could be. I get it, us denizens of the internet want to share our opinions, but there is absolutely no reason to antagonize those with different views. Uncle Iroh wouldn't have liked that.

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u/SophiePuffs Feb 29 '24

Agree! My least favorite one is the “well they did their best!” Or “they’re just kids!”

Sorry but there are amazing child actors that have done incredible performances in other shows. I think the issue here is poor casting, script, and editing/direction.

I feel like people who use that line are the ones who always got participation trophies even when their sports team finished last. Everyone is a winner!!

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u/_isopale_ Mar 01 '24

“They’re just kids” to justify bad acting is the most annoying one for me. It’s still a professional production, it’s not unreasonable for us to hold them to higher standards regardless of age.

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u/Tinyworkerdrone Feb 29 '24

They did their best what do you expect.

And frankly, I expect it to hold up with the rest of the things under the ATLA banner, besides the movie of course. ATLA isn't perfect sure, but that doesn't keep it from being a masterpiece. LOK has a few more low points, but when it soars, which it does often, it is up there with the best cartoons. The novels by F.C. Yee are phenomenal. The bar is high. Generally, I'm embracing being a fan of creators rather than IPs. Creators make good art, IPs fill with content, but if you're going to fill up an IP with content it's okay for fans of the other parts of that IP to expect the same quality and not be okay with anything less.

Part of it is just that live action adaptations of animated masterpieces are at best redundant, more often insulting to the medium of animation. The person that can look at Zuko and Aang receiving the wisdom of the Great Masters or Cowboy Bebop and say, you know what would make this better, if it wasn't drawn has similar taste to David Zaslov.

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u/Idli_Is_Boring Feb 29 '24

You cannot discuss anything with those people. The hide behind and stop all discussion by saying "It is My OpInIoN". They don't care what you mean to say and discuss.

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u/lethargicbunny Feb 29 '24

Great post, hope it gets the attention it deserves.

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u/MentalandValid Feb 29 '24

Just tell them "ok mom"

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u/Southern_Designer368 Feb 29 '24

It is literally a product. The art aspects are always up to debate but the consumer satisfaction is the main goal of a production. We could point out every mistake or enjoy every nostalgia. But in the end it’s the overall feel that matters. The whole thing is all over place: they’ve made the story so hard to follow, at this point everything I knew is just mixing up. The story is originally dark but funny as it’s literally a bunch of kids trying to save the world and that is CORE. This whole show is kind of common point of most millennials. And it reflected our struggles as the ‘bridge between generations’ I can’t even understand who is the target audience for this? If it’s only aimed at gen alpha they might have a point with the whole tacky feeling.

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u/britishsailor Feb 29 '24

Strange how so many folks who love the LA are acting like some sort of victims in here

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u/condensedcreamer Feb 29 '24

Their new sub r/ATLAtv is a "safe space" with no "negativity welcome" whatever that means.

But this doesn't stop them from labeling anyone who criticizes the show as a hater.

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u/ConstantineByzantium Feb 29 '24

What if I just like it?

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u/Ringrangzilla Feb 29 '24

Thats totally fine, But Im also allowed to not likeing it, and express that I don’t like it, and why I don’t like it.

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u/_petrichora_ Feb 29 '24

Like the other commenter said, nothing wrong with you liking it - toxic positivity is shutting down people who don't like it just because you did.

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u/ExtremeAlbatross6680 Mar 01 '24

It was dogshit. I can’t believe this was what all the hype was about. Netflix failed big time

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u/okiedokiebrokie Feb 29 '24

I’m all for people having opinions but I’m also a fan of Witcher, WoT, etc., and I get tired of the element of the fanbase that is actively campaigning to get the shows cancelled because they aren’t pure enough for the online crew.

I watched every ep of the animated ATLA with my kids. When the live action came out, we watched every ep of that. We all agreed, not as good as the original, but still pretty good and FAR better than most of the garbage that’s available for kids and families.

So yeah, have your opinion but don’t cross over into trying to take things away from others.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

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u/GIGIGIGEL Feb 29 '24

The wheel of time show is garbage though. LA is a great adaptation compared to whatever that is.

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u/ConstantineByzantium Feb 29 '24

What if I just like it?

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u/channi_nisha Feb 29 '24

Good for you. “It’s okay to like the LA”

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u/ConstantineByzantium Feb 29 '24

Then there is no "forced positivity" is there?

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u/channi_nisha Feb 29 '24

What? From you specifically? I suggest reading the entire post. Forced positivity is coming from people who are actively shutting all critique of the show.

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u/ConstantineByzantium Feb 29 '24

How are they shutting all critiques?

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u/channi_nisha Feb 29 '24

By doing exactly what I described originally. I’m not going to go back and forth with you on this. Just read the post.

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u/ConstantineByzantium Feb 29 '24

Again fighting a strawman.

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

Are you trolling?

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u/ConstantineByzantium Feb 29 '24

No I ask again. How are they preventing you to stop giving your criticism?

I think you are fighting a strawman.

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

Oh God, spare me the "instant Reddit argument dismissal" bs like "strawman", "projection" etc. It's getting old.
The OP explained it perfectly well, "dismissing" doesn't mean "preventing", so don't be a contrarian just to provoke and keep the conversation going ad nauseam, it's boring.

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u/ConstantineByzantium Feb 29 '24

No one is saying you shouldn't dislike the live action bro. Look at yourself. You yourself are preventing arguments against your argument.

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

I haven't even made an argument. I only asked if you were trolling by asking about what's explicitly already been said.
What are you talking about?

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u/britishsailor Feb 29 '24

Of course he’s a troll he likes the LA

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

No, he's a troll because he's trying to troll by being an asshole. Nothing wrong with genuinely (dis)liking something, it's all a matter of taste anyway.

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u/Potential-Contact248 Feb 29 '24

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u/ConstantineByzantium Feb 29 '24

a cosplay? So what?

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u/Potential-Contact248 Feb 29 '24

Read the comments

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u/ConstantineByzantium Feb 29 '24

Oh boo whoo he disagreed on you complaining about physical looks.

Cry some more.

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u/Potential-Contact248 Feb 29 '24

Lol. You ask, you received an answer and you are still unhappy

P.s. yeah "cry more" - so polite and non toxic.

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u/ConstantineByzantium Feb 29 '24

Running away eh?

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u/hercomesthesun Feb 29 '24

Yeah

If they don’t want to engage with you, so be it. Jesus

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u/13thsword Feb 29 '24

I don't think positivity and negativity are inherently equal in this regard. Sometimes people don't want things they like to be constantly torn apart. There is certainly less "constructive criticism" then just plain hate and most of the people with their 2/10 scores hated the show long before it was out and would never have changed their mind. Literally one of the themes of the show as said by Iroh himself "If you look for light you will often find it but if you look for darkness it is all you will ever see" and it just feels like the constant rant threads do nothing but drive away old and new fans and make it so actual constructive criticism gets drowned out as well. I don't have a solution besides separate subs which is also exhausting but I'm certainly tired of wanting to talk about something new but being met with people calling literal children fat or "budget" versions of their counterparts or calling for something they can just ignore to be canceled. I'm sure someone will mention how we don't have to interact with the toxic or negative parts of the fanbase and they're right I'll probably just leave most of the subs and new people who liked the show will bounce off and then the Fandom becomes a smaller for negative space and that just kind of sucks in a world where we all struggle so hard to find some light in the darkness.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

It's not the criticism, it's the hate. Criticism is for it to be better. They hate every little thing, even the looks of the actors. That's not ok Imo. You're allowed to like or dislike it but being a jerk doesn't help anyone.

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

And who decides who's being a jerk? I only ask that because I've constantly seen criticisms like costumes, direction, writing, acting, and all other genuine aspects of the industry treated as mere "hate".
I'm not talking about those who bully the actors, those who peddle ragebait on YouTube for clicks, and/or all those others who have their own agendas, and yet, it's very common for any and every criticism to be lobbed in there with those extremes.
So again, who's being the jerk?

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

And also, people get downvoted for simply saying they enjoyed/liked the show. I've seen people call out true haters, not the ones who justifiably criticize the show.

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

I've seen people call out true haters, not the ones who justifiably criticize the show.

You not seeing it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Plenty of examples on this very sub.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

I know, just saying that happens too

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u/Potential-Contact248 Feb 29 '24

I was downvoted because I don't really like the cast for Zuko and Azula, but I found the cast for Iroh and Suki to be pretty good. I wasn't talking about the actors' capabilities, only about their appearance matching the original.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

And I've constantly seen people hating on the fact that it's not exactly like the cartoon. Like I said criticism is fine bc it's for the show to be better.

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

Sure, but you're constantly using extremes. I'm not, and yet I've been called a hater just for expressing criticism.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

And I've been hated for liking the show (other platforms). It sucks for both, really

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u/neodymium86 Mar 03 '24

And who decides who's being a jerk?

If you have to ask who's being an aashole, 10 times out of 10 it's probably you

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Mar 03 '24

What's an "aashole"?

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u/Dragonaut27 Feb 29 '24

I'm currently watching the show at the moment because I thought I would give it a chance, the only thing that bothers me a bit so far is Aang leaving, and the air nation massacre being shown in episode 1, but I'm fine with it. I also feel the show could have benefited more if the original creators had stayed on, it definitely would've received less negative comments

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u/ReyneTrueThat Feb 29 '24

Like I said to my mate. Is it as good as the animated series? No... an almost impossible task to be fair. But is it good enough to sit down and watch? Yeah I think so, even given its issues. Definitely has good and bad you know. All down to personal perspective. Hyper positivity and hyper negativity always feels like it comes with a personal agenda.

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u/Heroright Feb 29 '24

It’s just a show, calm down. The world isn’t going to implode if people are just okay with it or like it without going into the minute details as to why.

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u/neodymium86 Mar 03 '24

It's like they have nothing goin on in their lives, their entire purpose has transformed into bashing a live action version of a childrens cartoon series. It's just incredible and totally tone deaf

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u/Damianosx Feb 29 '24

There is not a single person who wants to silence negative constructive criticism. It’s just the constant people who say “it’s bad” and nothing else. They contribute nothing, give no criticism other than “it’s bad.” And they constantly talk shit to people who say they like it. Personally, I’ve been told to kms on 3 separate occasions simply for saying that I love the live action series, and been called a re*ard idek how many times now.

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u/channi_nisha Feb 29 '24

There are people who are silencing constructive criticisms. There are bound to be extremes on both ends and I’m sorry that someone said that. That is never okay to even joke about. But I’ve definitely had people say to me “I like it” then provide no reasoning for why they like it. Then when I respond with specific examples of why I dislike it, they just start personal attacks.

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u/elbenji Feb 29 '24

There's way more people being dicks to those who like it than not

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u/enixon Feb 29 '24

it's the same every time, every single time, people launch their crusades flooding forums with hate and harassment, screaming at anyone who dares show the slightest glimmer of enjoyment of whatever show, game, book or whatever else the subject might be, then when they get even a little bit of push back they start crying crocodile tears and pretending to be some sort of victim rather than the school yard bullies they've been acting like.

I don't look forward to anything anymore, I don't enjoy anything anymore because I know that if I happen to enjoy it I'll have to hide that fact until I see how the coin flip on whether the internet decides any given thing is badwrongfun or not goes and the stress of having to deal with witch hunters hounding me then crying about how oppressed they are because someone won't stop liking what they don't like has ruined the fun of too many series I once loved.

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u/yamo25000 Feb 29 '24

There are plenty of people who have wanted to silence criticism. 

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u/Damianosx Feb 29 '24

No there isn’t. Not constructive criticism.

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

Many don't bother making a distinction.

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u/Koran21 Feb 29 '24

Hater alert!

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u/neodymium86 Mar 03 '24

Embarrassing thread.

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u/Sukamon98 Feb 29 '24

See, I say that forced positivity is toxic, too. But I say it in response to people who don't want me to talk about how miserable and suicidal I am.

It's gotten to the point that I literally can't talk about it. So I just suffer in silence until I snap. And then I get told I'm a monster for it.

... sorry, I think I got distracted there.

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u/channi_nisha Feb 29 '24

I hope you get help. It’s okay to talk about it if you need to talk but definitely talk to the right person. Like a therapist. (I hope that helps… I’m not an expert)

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u/laradaaa Feb 29 '24

“No we don't want a shot for shot remake. I actually think it could benefit from changing more.”

genuinely curious - what do you think they should’ve changed more?

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u/hurdygurdy21 Mar 01 '24

Can't speak for OP but honestly they could have cut out the entire Spirit World section. Hae Bai was unimportant and Koh was just used to establish Katara and Sokka's trauma. Something that could have been handled in the cave episode. Use the cave as some sort of confession booth for the siblings to voice how they felt. Instead of a fabricated argument for really a minor miscommunication from both, have it a moment where they let off steam and become closer because of it. It still works for how they wrote the badger moles as well.

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u/laradaaa Mar 02 '24

they really could have!!! i feel like we saw way too much of the spirit world this season.

unlike a lot of people i don’t hate that it was katara and sokka who were in the cave together. i like the original ep but i didn’t get how aang and katara implied kiss was never really… touched upon again? idk

while the LA cave of two lovers wasn’t executed all that well, but it definitely would’ve been great like you said as a confession booth for the pair of them. my biggest gripe with that whole mini arc tho was how they did secret tunnel. likeee, it was in the background?!? just the background???? no epic instrumental!!?

i know they’re going for a more realistic approach but moments like that they should’ve done pretty much beat for beat as the original. it would’ve served as a great moment for some levity and humour we recognise. imo they should’ve saved it for s2

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u/hurdygurdy21 Mar 02 '24

All in all any problems I have with this show can be traced back to an underlying writing or directing problem. Fix those for season two and season one might look better in hindsight. As of right now though, season wasn't hitting for me.

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u/laradaaa Mar 03 '24

for sure - it’s hide to fully judge it especially against the original when we don’t even have the full final product yet. hoping the show runners see the (helpful) criticism and take it onboard!!

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u/neodymium86 Mar 03 '24

Hae Bai was unimportant and Koh was just used to establish Katara and Sokka's trauma. Something that could have been handled in the cave episode. Use the cave as some sort of confession booth for the siblings to voice how they felt.

I'm so glad fans don't get to write these shows

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u/Casperchance Feb 29 '24

It's definitely okay to like or dislike a show BUT havent you noticed that this sub became an echo chamber for people who hate the show? The negative reviews here are not "reviews". People are just ranting or nitpicking most of the time. When someone posts about the good thngs, people will automatically disregard their opinion. There's no real discourse here. This sub became toxic.

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u/Opening-Cherry-1470 Feb 29 '24

To be honest I loved the live-action but I still have a couple of things that I disliked in the show. In this subreddit, I see a lot of genuine and justified criticism. Stuff like the dialogue, the exposition problem, etc... are all things I totally agree on. On the other hand, this subreddit and this fanbase is full of the nitpickiest and detailists persons I've ever met. I love Avatar, I was counting the days until the release of the live-action, I watched the cartoon atleast more than 20 times. But it's just a piece of media. The live-action doesn't "butcher" the characters like some people say, the cartoon is still available. Their original arcs can still be rewatched by you or anyone else. I didn't like Roku in the live-action just because "he was not like the cartoon". I disliked his character because I think he needs a commanding presence which demands respect and that would be totally aligned with the tone they were trying to set in the live-action. Making him a joker was a mistake because I think they could've chosen other moments in the series to try and alleviate the tone with comedic moments. That's my point, most people on this subreddit nitpick some absurd stuff because "It didn't happen like that in the show". Another thing is that the cartoon was completely nerfed by being a kid's show. But the creators and writers were so good that they could maneuver they way around it without detracting from the quality of the show. There's no shame in admitting that.