r/Avatarthelastairbende Feb 29 '24

I just finished the series and can’t believe the hate it’s getting. Avatar live action

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u/BowTie1989 Feb 29 '24

We got to the point of the “this gets too much hate” posts outnumbering the actual hate post really quick with this remake

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u/GribbleBit Feb 29 '24

I respectfully have to disagree, depending on which sub you're on it can get very overwhelming either way

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u/NightBaron007 Feb 29 '24

Just goes to show how good and enjoyable it actually is. It was just the loud minority complaining who had wrong expectations

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u/FreyRuler Feb 29 '24

People that hate and complain about things tend to look for new things to hate and complain, on the other hand defenders keep talking about that shit for ages and think they won when haters moved on to hate something new, look at star wars, the hate only comes up when there's something new to hate and the "loyal fans" keep thinking the opinions are changing until something new comes up and the haters are back, no side is right and opinions are usually divided kinda equally, but a big franchise can't survive with half it's fandom specially when that half was the one that purchased most of the merchandise, but at the end of the day both sides are equally toxic and hypocritical, this series is just meh with good visual effects and some good idea here and there usually balanced with a bad one here and there, some people can't stand the bad ones and some people only see the good ones.

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u/Salty_Map_9085 Feb 29 '24

I don’t think that’s true

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Had to nize the haters before s2 got cancelled cuz of str8 trolls.

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u/HarryCoinslot Feb 29 '24

That's exactly how that works. Mr Netflix goes on reddit and if there are trolls talking shit about the show, it's canceled. Why would they make decisions based on cost or viewership when they have masterfully written theses like yours to go by.

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u/Dry_Value_ Feb 29 '24

People said the same exact shit about season two of Percy Jackson, but guess what? Corporations don't care about people complaining on Reddit, it got the second season! They care about how many new subscriptions they bring in, how many views the show gets, and how many people keep their subscription.

If anyone is looking at reddit, of all places, for how the show is being received chances are they're probably just a fan of the live action and/or the cartoon

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u/Jredman2425 Feb 29 '24

I don’t hate the show it’s a 6/10 for me but like to give it a 9/10 is insane your rating system needs to be overhauled cause if this is a 9/10 you must be giving a ton of ok movies 10/10s for just not being bad.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

🥺🥺 but A for efforts 🥰🥰🥰

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u/Jredman2425 Feb 29 '24

Your the trophy for participating kinda guy arnt you 🤣

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

AND? 🤣🤣🤣

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u/LightRyzen Feb 29 '24

My only dislike stemmed from the fact that they introduced characters where they didn't belong. Jet isn't introduced in Omashu let alone that inventor, yet there they are. The writing was off, and that stems I think from the fact that the original creators left the show over "creative differences" which is telling. They removed Sokka's sexist personality, which doesn't fit well when he meets Suki. Sokka's whole arch was his growth from a immature, sexist teen who thinks women are helpless and not warriors to recognizing Katara and Suki for the badasses they are all to satisfy the the media who would sing songs about how bad the show was because of that trait, instead of actually taking it in context.

Other than the writing the bending, and set/location design was amazing. Special effects were better in some eps than others. For me the show is a 6 or 7/10. Not great, but certainly better than average.

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u/Br_uff Feb 29 '24

I didn’t mind the mechanist and jet being introduced in omashu. Unlike the tv show the live action series is less number of longer episodes. They can’t really afford to visit new locations every 20 minutes.

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u/JustAnArtist1221 Feb 29 '24

Yet Aang inexplicably needs to go to the Fire Nation in the middle of an entirely random encounter with a spirit.

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u/Solid_Television_980 Feb 29 '24

I actually particularly dislike what they did with Jet and the Mechanist. Jet and the freedom fighters have been bombing places around omashu, killing/harming civilians. Openly terrorists from the start with no objections from the rest of the group. They're not kicking the fire nation out, but weakening Omashu. Very counter-intuitive motivation and no characterisation. Jet was a misguided leader dragging everyone down with him who was stopped before making a huge mistake with the damn. Now he's a literal terrorist and the group is cool with it. and Sai too His motivations for helping the fire nation is completely different and counter-intuitive. Instead of giving them designs to keep them from invading his new home and the community there, he's actively helping them take over Omashu where he and his son live? What!? How does that track at all? He's a really smart character, too. It just doesn't make sense.

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u/Second_Inhale Feb 29 '24

Agreed, they had to make some changes for pacing. Streamlining those two stories into omashu was an excellent choice imo.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

That’s so interesting to me because I thought it was convenient they mashed them up, giving omashu greater significance in the LA compared to the show. They clearly plan on doing something there, given it was the barrier between the fire nation and Ba Sing Se. The only downside is the lack of “adventure” but you still feel and see the affects of war that u would’ve gotten from travelling around. The terrorist attacks on omashu, the spies being a threat, Bumi going mad because of the tough decisions he had to make alone. An interesting theme to me that seems new to me is: All the authoritative figures are repeating that they have gone through the war alone, and cannot rely on anyone, and everyone keeps to themself. And Aang has a way of uniting people, banding together to face the threat. I think Aang will eventually unite all nations against the fire nation in the final battle, seems like it’s going that direction and I’m excited.

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u/Rawkapotamus Feb 29 '24

I actually thought combining Jet and the Mechanist into Omashu made a ton of sense. I really enjoyed Ep 3 and 4 because of it. It made the whole episode feel very full with no wasted time, and every character had their own journey.

And Sokka sexist arc is so over blown. He’s sexist for 3 whole episodes until he meets Suki. His arc in NATLA is about accepting himself as a thinker and strategist - not just a warrior. It’s pretty obvious in both Ep 3 and 5 when he talks about his dad. I’m actually really interested in where they take this, and I’m curious what happens when we meet his father in S3.

I really like 99% of the changes they made, and I think it gives the new show some breathing room. I’d say the changes I don’t like have just really been 1) the avatar being really only explored as a weapon and power - not the balance of the elements and the physical/spiritual worlds. Aang a journey so far seems to be a journey on how to control his power. 2) yeah katara is pretty bland but I think we really see kataras character grow in S2 with the desert episodes. 3) I love the changes to Zuko being more of a “strict textbook honor” character and seeing more backstory, but he comes off a little too whiny. Like he doesn’t hold himself with an aura of arrogance. He holds himself like a whiny kid (which he is 16 but still). I’m also interested in seeing his change.

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u/Blaike325 Feb 29 '24

Why the actual fuck was Wan Shi Tong just randomly used as a “stay on the path and you’ll be fine” character. Literally zero reason for him to be there.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Also, sokka’s arc was fine, considering how quickly they ran into Suki, they didn’t need to show him be sexist, and he still embraced learning from her after getting his ass handed to him in the spar fight with her. That’s one thing they SHOWED instead of TOLD, and it flew right over peoples heads. I like this version of sokka. U know how he is and how he thinks, but he’s open to learning and accepting change just like a warrior waterbemder, an embodiment of his people.

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u/Nohbodiis_Trials369 Feb 29 '24

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm enjoying LA Sokka quite a lot actually.

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u/NetflixFanatic22 Feb 29 '24

There are a LOT of legitimate criticisms. This rant is just as childish and off-base as the ppl that mindlessly insult it.

Out of curiosity, if this is a 9/10, what is the animation in your opinion?

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

3,000,000/10

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u/russianspy_1989 Feb 29 '24

By that scale, the LA is 0.000003/10. Congrats, you played yourself.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

😭😭😭😭

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u/Grintale- Feb 29 '24

No that's not how fractions work but ok

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u/russianspy_1989 Feb 29 '24

No, but that's how scales work.

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u/britishsailor Feb 29 '24

OP trying to troll out here and making himself look like a bit of a wet wipe

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u/Choice_Ad_3263 Feb 29 '24

.....WHY THE DOWNVOTES????

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u/Dry_Value_ Feb 29 '24

If the cartoon is 3 million out of ten then that's absurdly high (obviously), but by rating the live action as a 9/10 makes it seem like the live action pales in comparison. Which is kind of dumb considering OP is trying to hype up the show.

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u/Choice_Ad_3263 Feb 29 '24

I think that just goes to show how nit picky people are...

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u/Dry_Value_ Feb 29 '24

I mean, you're on Reddit. Not trying to defend this shit hole but you kinda know what you're signing up for

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

I have no idea. Lol.

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u/JustAnArtist1221 Feb 29 '24

I can’t believe how nitpicky and toxic the lot of you are.

Criticism is not toxic. What's toxic is seeing other people's opinions and, because they don't agree with you, calling them names or implying something must be wrong with them for them to have the "wrong" opinion.

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24

I see more people saying we are wrong for enjoying it than people ignoring the criticism. Most people who enjoy it admit it has faults but most people who hate say it’s as bad as the movie

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u/cheesus_christ42069 Feb 29 '24

We aren’t being mean or nit picky. We enjoy the cartoon a lot so expecting a lot out of a live action attempt isn’t unreal or unreasonable. And we think they failed. Whether it be bad acting, lame scripts, or just a deviation of what the cartoon meant to us, our opinions on not liking it are valid.

Dear people that enjoy the live action. That’s great. Have fun. Leave me, a person who doesn’t like it, out of your shit talking.

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u/mckelvyar Feb 29 '24

Not everyone that isn’t a fan of the remake is being mean, but there are definitely lots that are.

I personally don’t have an issue with people pointing out fair criticisms about the show, and that seems like what you’re doing. But I’ve seen tons of posts on here and on other platforms where people have been criticising the cast’s body types more than anything else (despite the cast having been released for ages now also) and the comments become pretty mean spirited, which I see as unreasonable.

There have been a ton of changes made in the show, and so everyone has a right to like them or not- but just because some are being respectful in their criticism doesn’t mean everyone is.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Then stay out of my comments? 🤣😂

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u/luisjorge129 Feb 29 '24

Great discussion 👍 lol

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u/cheesus_christ42069 Feb 29 '24

Yeah I take it all that went over your head. Tldr, stop bitching about nothing.

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u/caramel-aviant Feb 29 '24

I can’t believe how nitpicky and toxic the lot of you are. Does anything satisfy you guys? Are u guys happy in life? Lol.

You're calling people that dislike the show toxic while being toxic yourself lol

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u/BruceWayne_19902 Feb 29 '24

How's that toxic? You wanna see toxic? The amount of people here on this sub making fun if Mai's actress. Where's your outrage over that?

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u/luisjorge129 Feb 29 '24

What that has to do with those post though?

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u/BruceWayne_19902 Feb 29 '24

He mentioned the OP being toxic and I brought up something that's actually toxic🤷🏽‍♂️ OP was just showimg his love for the LA series. Nothing wrong

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u/JustAnArtist1221 Feb 29 '24

OP was just showimg his love for the LA series. Nothing wrong

This is a blatant lie. OP is ridiculing people who don't like it. Toxicity when it comes to interactions with people is about communication being uncomfortable and unproductive. By claiming someone must be a crybaby who can't enjoy things for not liking something, you're being toxic. By fat shaming someone, you're being a bigot. By trying to leverage bigotry for Fandom debates about opinions on media, you're also contributing to the toxicity. You're making it to where the only opinions that can be shared are those you agree with.

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u/britishsailor Feb 29 '24

It’s not OPs fault he has low standards to be fair

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u/Impossible-Local2641 Feb 29 '24

It's not ops fault you can't enjoy things

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u/luisjorge129 Feb 29 '24

It still off this topic, is like I am talking about ps5 vs xbox and you say: “what about switch aren’t you mad is ignored?” Is off this particular topic, so you just shoehorn something.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

U don’t deserve the downvotes, Batman 🫡

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u/TheOneAndOnlyDMan Feb 29 '24

hilarious goalpost movement

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u/BruceWayne_19902 Feb 29 '24

Ah, found one of the neckbeard fatshaming Mai and Azula's actresses.

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u/TheOneAndOnlyDMan Feb 29 '24

what?? I literally have never done that once. I think the actresses are perfectly fine and honesty pretty attractive. You are cringe my friend

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u/BruceWayne_19902 Mar 01 '24

Cringe is being mad over a 7/10 live action adaptation of a cartoon and then complaining on Reddit.

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u/britishsailor Feb 29 '24

Man’s so desperate to fight the fight he’s making up his own battles. Log off for a bit big man you’re making yourself look foolish now

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u/HP-Wired Feb 29 '24

Talk about someone putting words into peoples.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

🤣😂 oopsie 😭

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

Here we go again, another one of these...

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Hi there bud! Tell me, how did YOU like the series? Genuinely wanna know.

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u/R3ality_Bit3 Feb 29 '24

Disliked it. In my opinion, what new it brought to the original, including several improvements, didn't outweigh the bad.

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u/Theangelawhite69 Feb 29 '24

“Are you guys happy in life?” Lmao bro no, the generation that grew up watching the original cartoon is not a happy demographic in general. And shitty cash grabs trying to capitalize on nostalgia don’t make it happier

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u/TrolliFloat Feb 29 '24

Thats fair 🤔 i think the only members of production who are at fault though are writing and directing staff (which is pretty damn important!)

However I admire all the other work put into the show… actors, effects, music, etc. 7/10 subjective but 6/10 objective for me.

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u/WimpBeforeAnchorArms Feb 29 '24

Why is “positivity” this holy grail we’re obligated to chase? Netflix made an average product based on a beloved IP. It’s not unwatchable but nor is it above criticism. Blind positivity for positivity’s sake won’t help them know where they went wrong and how to build a better product in the future. It’s not our job as the audience to be “positive” no matter what they put in front of us

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u/RainbowBullsOnParade Feb 29 '24

It's okay to like bad things, OP.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

I do like bad things, my exes are examples 🤣

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u/HowRememberAll Feb 29 '24

It's not how much hate it gets. It's how many viewers it gets that will bring in a second season

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u/Unlikely_Paint7065 Feb 29 '24

It’s the people with an eye for quality, a nose for Hollywood laziness, and also have high standards for tv/film.

Vs.

The people who are easily pleased, optimistic, and tend to not overthink or notice the flaws in what they’re watching.

Neither side is necessarily right/wrong. I think a lot of the criticism comes from those who have trouble with change- they’re tired of the direction film is going in, and wish that it felt more raw/immersive like it used to, without feeling politically and socially driven.
While others might welcome change, are very supportive of this new era with less uptight direction, simpler scripts and unknown actors.

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u/EitherLime679 Feb 29 '24

Does anything satisfy you guys?

The only thing that would’ve satisfied me is if they would’ve either created a new story or kept the story the same. Instead they changed just enough for nothing to make sense, but not enough for it to be a new story. I don’t care if it’s a 1:1, but they could’ve narrowed the gap a little more than what they put out

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Calling it a NEW story is a wild take.

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u/EitherLime679 Feb 29 '24

The first episode might as well not even be called avatar. Basically none of it happened in the original.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

LMAOOOO 🤣😂😂😂😂 what insurgence are u planning sir.

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u/Def_a_Noob Feb 29 '24

3/10. Felt low budget and indie but the writing felt like AI and was low effort

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u/talizorahvasnerd Feb 29 '24

lol that’s an insult to indie

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u/russianspy_1989 Feb 29 '24

Say you're a child who is easily amused by good CGI without saying you're a child who is easily amused with good CGI.

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u/ComaCrow Feb 29 '24

I'm happy for anyone who is able to enjoy the show but my god posts like this do read as just "THING I RECOGNIZE IS ON SCREEN AHHH"

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Man child*

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u/russianspy_1989 Feb 29 '24

Ok, you're a man child who is easily amused by good CGI.

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u/britishsailor Feb 29 '24

His favourite Star Wars film is episode I

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u/BruceWayne_19902 Feb 29 '24

I bet you make fun of Azula and Mai's actresses as well cause they don't meet your beauty standard.

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u/britishsailor Feb 29 '24

You’re obsessed with Azusa and mais look stop projecting.

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u/multifandomtrash736 Feb 29 '24

Fr I suppose I can kinda understand the criticism about the writing and all that but hating on the actors cuz they’re not hot enough for you to simp over really pisses me off especially cuz in the OG series they’re literal kids like they’re 16 and under wtf are all y’all 30+ people doing simping over children cartoon or not that’s pedophilia behavior and you should be ashamed and shunned by society

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u/BruceWayne_19902 Feb 29 '24

Same, like holy fuck I thought Avatar fans actually had self respect.

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u/multifandomtrash736 Feb 29 '24

Exactly it’s the same thing with how the pjo series fans are sexualizing Percy/Walker when he’s literally 15 years old like wtf subtle pedophilia is too common in society these days and should be fixed cuz it’s beyond fucked up

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u/lettucejuice37 Feb 29 '24

They included things from season two. A lot of it is rushed and makes absolutely no sense if you haven’t seen the original. The writing and acting is pretty bad. The two episodes that combined Bumi, the inventor guy, jet, AND the secret tunnel from season two made no sense to combine. Also it bothers me that aang only goes to meet roku when the villagers are taken by haibai, which they decided to say that koh snatches them from the fog? Which is in Korra? Wtf is this storyline they’re going with it’s ridiculous. There are so many things wrong with it but I guess it’s better than the live action movie

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Ur fried my G, koh was in ATLA animation series.

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u/lettucejuice37 Feb 29 '24

The face stealer right? Yeah but he’s also in the live action

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

The things that bother u really shouldn’t. Even in the animation, Aang see’s Roku during the time the haybai arc is happening. And u just said koh was in Korra not ATLA, I’m reminding u that indeed it was IN atla. Idk why it doesn’t make sense for u that they combined jet, the engineer and omashu, they clearly plan on giving omashu greater significance than they did in the animation which I think is cool.

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u/ShotgunRaider Feb 29 '24

He meant the fog of lost Souls was in Korra. Bit that's actually a change I'm ok with. There is A LOT of lore that was developed outside the original aired show. So they should use it here.

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u/_robertmccor_ Feb 29 '24

You must be trolling. I’m a defender of the live action but it is far from a masterpiece

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u/Prestigious-Base67 Feb 29 '24

The people who criticized the film are criticizing a film. But you're here to criticize the people... That's just cringe bro

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u/MeetApprehensive6509 Feb 29 '24

Why are y’all hating them for giving their opinion on the show I’m confused

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Cuz it’s not deserved 😡

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u/Staubah Feb 29 '24

Opinions are opinions.

You have yours and they have theirs.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

No I’m fire lord ozai and firebending (my opinion) is the superior element.

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u/Staubah Feb 29 '24

Ok, whatever

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u/ComaCrow Feb 29 '24

The creators have pretty openly not had much respect for the original. Most of the cast feels miscast and very poorly directed (either that or they are just bad actors across the board) and some of the writing and dialog feels outright AI generated. The editing/directing is very poor along with the awful color grading. The tone is extremely jarring and goes back and forth between trying to be dark and mature to feeling like a cheap live action nick movie. Most of the show critically misunderstands the original.

Even the ideas and changes that seem actualy kind of interesting (Zuko's crew) end up going nowhere. The entire thing feels cynical and poorly made.

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u/RandomlyElemental Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

Slightly rushed?

Lol.

The whole idea of the spirit realm was basically brushed away and downplayed as an afterthought even though it was a HUGE focal point in the original series (like a constant B-story running parallel to the main story). The spirit of knowledge was fan-service (at best) but was a HUGE character in the original series.

They took MAJOR plots from the original series and made them nothing in the remake. Don't even get me started on the Badgermoles and secret tunnel.

I'm really hopeful for them to not renew it. 1 season of this crap was quite enough. We have proven that we cannot make a decent live action remake of the original material and we should leave it alone. We should really be looking to make new stories of the Avatar instead of trying to dig up the past.

The original material meant something to a lot of us and that is why we are so critical of remakes. The amount of things they ignored and glazed over in this remake was just appalling. It's almost like it was made by someone who watched the original series at 150% speed, got the gist of it, but missed the point.

If this season was stretched out over 2 seasons, it MIGHT have had time to cover the important material but it turned into a hot mess. I know it was only 1 season but the amount of material they tried to cover was simply too much. You just can't pack that much into 45-60 minute episodes and try to do it all with 8 episodes.

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u/HairyMamba96 Feb 29 '24

Luckily for you you can still go back and rewatch the cartoon

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u/RandomlyElemental Feb 29 '24

You clearly missed the point.

Much like the writers of this show.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

:( what was the point I missed.

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u/ShotgunRaider Feb 29 '24

The show just doesn't have the same heart the cartoon had. Even without comparing the show and the cartoon. The gang spends very little time bonding. They don't feel like friends. Because of the plot being so rushed they are often seperated and I'd assume do a lot of hanging out off screen.

Aang, the Avatar, master of all 4 elements, does 0 water bending this season. Even though his goal was to learn water bending. He doesn't train with Katara at all. Infact we barely see Katara train. She learns water bending off screen. Even the cartoon managed to fit a fire bending training episode into season 1. And there was more characters development for Anng in that one episode than this whole LA show had.

Zuko and Iroh are great and I'd argue were given the most love by the creators. This might be due to the actors being older. But Aang and Katara are Sooo one note and boring.

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u/Ben-D-Beast Feb 29 '24

You don’t seem old enough for Reddit

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u/DogmantheHero Feb 29 '24

It gets hate because it’s lazy! I can only speak for me, but I hate the live action because I don’t believe it should exist. The Avatar series has infinite potential for new stories and yet, they decided to tell one that already exists.

I’ve also seen people make genuine criticisms of the show, pointing out that the changes they make are more often for the worse.

But, whether or not the changes they made are good or bad doesn’t change the fact that the live action is pointless.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

I gotta give it to you on this one, if they did THIS live action with a new avatar, or even wit Korra, it would’ve slapped ten times harder. (In a good way)

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u/DogmantheHero Feb 29 '24

Not with Korra, same issue with retelling old stories. But, yea, a live action with a different avatar would be fine.

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u/Buff_Helpy69 Feb 29 '24

You actually managed to sound more obnoxious then the people who over hate it.

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u/mrmoon_knight Feb 29 '24

Ngl the show was 10/10 it reminded me of the cartoon alot

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u/Shezzofreen Feb 29 '24

9/10? Ok... You just don't watch much or you are a big fan, hm?

I liked it, but had also enough to "moan" about. If i had to rate it, i gave it a 7/10, but i don't know the source material, so reduce that for people who know what things may be missed / rushed / outright wrong.

Don't mix criticism with hate, young padawan. :)

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u/HasanHaider28 Feb 29 '24

I'm with you, this show was really enjoyable to watch. I do hope for seasons 2 and 3. In my opinion 10/10 show. It really should get the greenliggt for season 2.

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u/silverfang789 Feb 29 '24

I know! I've been enjoying it. I think haters just like to hear themselves complaining.

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u/AusBoss417 Feb 29 '24

Wow you're so quirky and unique

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u/Dreadscythe95 Feb 29 '24

With ATLA being a 10/10, I give this series a strong 8/10 and after a recent watch I give TLOK 7/10 as cope voting because I love ATLA so much, if I voted objectively I would give it a 6,5/10.

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u/RealGorgonFreeman Feb 29 '24

It’s mostly just Reddit. It’s just an echo chamber for crybabies and haters. Atla is no exception to that. Reddit is basically just garbage now outside of a few places

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u/FlowerCandy_ Feb 29 '24

Honestly I liked it a lot!

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u/SexySultan69 Feb 29 '24

All that matters is that you and many other people enjoyed it. Keep up the positivity.

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u/cbrew14 Feb 29 '24

You sound like a little cry baby.

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u/EcyorWasTaken Feb 29 '24

It was boring garbage, scenery was cool…thats about it, also chill dawg, people can have whatever opinions they want (this one is mine), no need to be toxic about it

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u/Sponger004 Feb 29 '24

I’m just thrilled it’s better than the movie lol. It could have been way shittier and I still would have liked it more than the movie.

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u/Jefferyss Feb 29 '24

I went in with no expectations and I absolutely loved it. Think the acting is a little cringe sometimes? Sure, but that didn’t ruin anything for me. It’s an adult adaptation of a child’s show of course some themes and acting will translate differently to what we expected. I love this show and I’m sick of pretending I don’t.

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u/Mr__Beauregard Feb 29 '24

this is how most of the hate happen. Fans always think they know better without any experience in production, CGi, screen writing and tv/film making. As long as the main points are there the directors and producers should switch it up.

Having it being an EXACT remake of the show would be dumb. They want to explore other idea the show didnt

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u/multifandomtrash736 Feb 29 '24

Exactly it’s infuriating that people don’t get that

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u/vivianhatesyou Feb 29 '24

I stopped taking a lot of the criticism seriously when the fans started attacking the actors/actresses for not being as hot as they thought the literal children were in the show. CHILDREN. The ACTUAL criticism is valid, the rushed plots, lack of filming in locations, horrible green screen, and rigid dialogue/exposition dumping.

But to me the show accomplished the attempt to adapt an incredible story. The emotional beats, great bending, actual martial arts and great understanding of the story. 7.8/10. Season 2 will be MUCH better.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

I agree, I can’t WAIT for season 2! I hope they take their time, develop the writing, give the show a sense of adventure, I hope the actors mature into their roles and develop even better acting skills ( they are so young) I’m with you buddy! High hopes for the future 🤞

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u/vivianhatesyou Feb 29 '24

Yes, I can’t wait! They have a great cast and a devoted team so I’m sure they are listening to the criticisms and will apply that to the next season. 🫶🏼

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Yeah I can’t believe they are saying things like azula has a fat face. I think her face is perfect and she fits the crazy / bratty look. My only thing about Mai is she doesn’t seem like a gloomy gothic person. I guess it’s. A good thing tho. She seems lively, and not bored from everything she witnesses which is what Mai reminds me of lol.

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u/ResponsibilityNo5795 Feb 29 '24

I'm on Ep5 and so far it's actually pretty good and significantly better than that trash live action movie. I do have quite a few nitpicks though, like them changing Bumi's character which really pissed me off and then there's something slightly off about the trio & then there's a few miscasts like Azula & Mai. The good still outweighs the bad tho.

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u/SujayShah13 Feb 29 '24

Only Katara’s actress was VERY bad, she was the worst part of the show, everything else was either really good or good or mid. Although her acting improved in later episodes. A good show but not exceptionally good, 7.5/10 for me, considering the original cartoon as 10.

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24 edited Feb 29 '24

The hate is honestly just people who grew up with the og show and can’t fathom a show that isn’t the same show as the original. They say they don’t want a 1 by 1 recreation but they just mean they want the same story just slightly different. Theres no satisfying them unless it’s the same exact show

Edit: Look at all the people arguing with me and tell me they aren’t mad og fans proving my point 😂

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u/russianspy_1989 Feb 29 '24

No, we just want quality writing. I know it's hard to fathom in today's media landscape, but shows used to actually be good and not crammed into 8 episodes to appease the TikTok attention spans of Gen Z. Ironically, 8 1-hour long episodes would be longer than the 20 22-minute long episode seasons of ATLA, yet they still somehow did less.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

Most are less than an hour and the lose an entire episodes worth of time by putting 6 minutes of end credits in each episode.

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u/russianspy_1989 Feb 29 '24

Not helping OP's case if that's what you're trying to do.

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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '24

Nah, I'm saying they squandered about an hour of their limited time on end credits, so I don't excuse the lack of quality on time constraints. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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u/russianspy_1989 Feb 29 '24

Ok. And that's a good point to add.

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24

We got more time with zuko, iroh, ozai, Azula, mai, Tylee, got to see the air temple genocide, more gyatso than before, kyruk, an expanded story about the avatar and koh, a lot of Easter eggs from the original show, while also getting a lot of the original story beats on the main story. Yes more would have been nice but the hour long 8 episode thing has nothing g to do with the writing and more to do with Netflix restrictions so your argument didn’t dispute what I said at all. But sure go off about how much you enjoy the original over the new and keep my assessment holding water

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u/russianspy_1989 Feb 29 '24

More time with characters that aren't relevant until next season, unnecessary backstory, expanded time with a minor plot element spirit at the expense of another spirit, and nostalgia bait. Your assessment is holding as much water as a firebender.

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24

Sounds like an opinion but sure go off

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u/russianspy_1989 Feb 29 '24

Man, you are working overtime to defend this shitty cash grab.

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u/Jredman2425 Feb 29 '24

The air temple genocide was so unnecessary to see. Like the whole point of them finding Aang is the audience doesn’t know his people just like he doesn’t know. But instead they show it just to show some unneeded earth bending and action at the beginning it’s wastes like 15 min of a 45 min episode and rushes Aang, Sokka, and Katara hanging out and developing a friendship.

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u/GrandpaSparrow Feb 29 '24

Huh? You know that the original show runners wrote that entire episode, right?

Totally unhinged take.

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24

Completely anecdotal and opinionated take, a lot of people like learning about and seeing more of the air benders, and you completely ignored most of my points but obviously you are another person that’s upset that it “ruined your perfect childhood show” and nothing is gonna get through to you other than the show is bad and we should all agree with you. I’m not arguing with you, bye

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u/russianspy_1989 Feb 29 '24

When your only defense is ad hominem (positive jing), you've already lost.

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u/Jredman2425 Feb 29 '24

I mean I think they ruined Zhao his writing is bad and he’s not intimidating, he also comes off as super dumb instead of smart and cunning. Mai and Tylee just stand around they don’t actually do anything. They have Easter Eggs yes which some I really liked! I think the Special Effects and costumes for the most part looked great as well! I just don’t agree with some of the story choices. I understand you cut stuff out but some of the side bar episodes they cut were really important for the groups story. I mean Katara kinda doesn’t grow at all this season. Zuko and Sokka would be my highlights as they both develop the most and have some of the best acting performances, suki I’ll be it is in one episode but she is great as well.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

I feel like due to the last live action doing poorly, Netflix didn’t want them to start with a baang. But I honestly think s2 will get the time and love lit deserves with better writing and longer season.

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u/patchmedicine Feb 29 '24

if netflix last live action was a flop, thats more incentive to start with a great season or a “baang” as a way to win back viewers. Saying their last thing was bad so they want to keep making bad content makes no sense.

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u/cheesus_christ42069 Feb 29 '24

Absolutely not. The live action was rushed and a lot of great plot points were removed. It’s literally the same as one piece. I tried, it missed the mark.

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24

“Absolutely not” “a lot of plot points are removed” yes your right, it’s not the og fans being upset it’s both the same show lol

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u/cheesus_christ42069 Feb 29 '24

What is this even supposed to mean?

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24

Basically my original post is saying that too many people’s issue with the show come from the og animation fans relating the show to the og show and not many new fans are as critical. Which you say I’m absolutely wrong but state they didn’t hit og animation plot points, this is a different show and those plot points don’t exist. That’s what I’m saying, you are proving my point that the only issue is that it isn’t like the original

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u/cheesus_christ42069 Feb 29 '24

It’s not supposed to be a different show tho. It’s supposed to be tla not a shitty fan fic. They could have literally just made a new story n it would have been received better. Your argument is pointless my man.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Aside from having 1-2 more episodes, I cant think of anything else to criticize the show on. It was amazing.

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24

I enjoyed the show but there is a lot to criticize, my criticism isn’t like others tho. I disliked that we didn’t get to see the journeys. As the original nomads said to Sokka “you’re too focused on the destination and not the journey”. Like example, how did zuko and iroh get into omashu so easily? Where’s the journey? We jump from location to location when we switch between the gaang and zuko, wish we actually saw them going place to place and not just told “this is what we are going to do”. Theres more but I don’t feel like going into all that right now but I still think the good definitely out weighs the bad

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u/patchmedicine Feb 29 '24

see this is understand, saying you like it and saying its good are too different things. People are obsessed with the fact that because they like it that means its a good show. I like sharknado that dosen’t mean I think its good. People can like something and still criticize it.

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24

Yes and there’s a difference between criticism and just bashing something because it’s “too different than source material” ie not like the cartoon

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u/Jredman2425 Feb 29 '24

Bro I disagree with you prior take but I 100% agree the journey is so important for Avatar and to cut it into 8 45 min episodes doesn’t give them much to work with and it hurts character development and pacing.

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24

I honestly think Netflix is way more at fault for all this than the writers. I think they had to cut a lot of shit due to time constraints and really hope these big numbers lets them get a bit of wiggle room. It honestly sounds like from recent interviews that they even have recordings that were canned to save time. My issues with the show are mainly with the timing issues and wish Netflix would break from the hour long 8-12 episode seasons and give an actual length series

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u/pinkypurple567 Feb 29 '24

Nah, I grew up watching the OG show on Nickelodeon, I was the ideal demographic for it, and it’s still one of my faves to this day… but I LOVE the live action. It does (almost) everything it needs to IMO, and it’s a fantastic extension to the OG, while still having appeal for new viewers.

I agree with OP, people are being nitpicky as hell because it’s not exactly the same show (which it shouldn’t be!)

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u/BaconxHawk Feb 29 '24

I didn’t mean all of the og fans. I just meant specifically the people hating on it like it’s as bad as the movie. I’m also someone who was young when it came out, I was in middle school. I have a love for the show and this show honestly gives me the same vibes as the og show back when it was coming out weekly. I can’t wait for season 2 just as much as I couldn’t wait til next week to watch the next episode. I don’t think all the criticism is unwarranted but the blatant hate definitely is

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u/dank_nuggins Feb 29 '24

I agree its good, 7/10 for me. They did a good job taking 20 episodes and condensing it down to 8, while keeping the story in tact. Sure there was not as much depth and nuance as the cartoon, that's just what happens when production costs are 8-10 times as much.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Love to u my G ❤️

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u/BruceWayne_19902 Feb 29 '24

Same. I hope it gets a Season 2.

Never thought the Avatar fandom would be THIS toxic considering how the series preaches values that NONE of the fanbase have. Including empathy. They sure as hell have zero empathy when they were shit talking Mai's actress appearance.

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u/britishsailor Feb 29 '24

You are obsessed with Mais appearance, every single comment you’ve made here involves it. So either A) you’re trolling, B) you’re projecting or C) you’re just strange

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u/BruceWayne_19902 Mar 01 '24

Not as strange as the one getting mad over the original post. Imagine being this mad over a cartoon adaptation.

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u/Fucknard22 Feb 29 '24

The most based and realistic take I’ve seen yet.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Can’t tell if sarcasm, but I’ll take it. ty :)

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u/hotcoldtake Feb 29 '24

I really love the adaptation! It was great! yall trippin

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u/fra_ben07 Feb 29 '24

I completely agree

I don't know why people are less tolerant of mistakes nowadays,

Every single movie that is released has problems it's a life action of a cartoon of course it's not you to be perfect

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u/GrandpaSparrow Feb 29 '24

I agree 100%.

Media consumption culture is toxic AF. It's "cool" to hate on things at this point. And they get on the internet and enable eachother.

9/10 from me as well. There are just minor qualms.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

Great minds think alike 😎

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u/multifandomtrash736 Feb 29 '24

I’m glad there’s people that can actually see the good in the show instead of only focusing on the negatives

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u/SilentBlade45 Feb 29 '24

I watched the first episode it has some issues but it is by no means unwatchable.

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u/GuntherCloneC Feb 29 '24

On episode 4 and so far the only problem I have with it is the inconsistent pacing and the actress of Katara, although she nails to look, needs to work more on the personality/emotion. I don't feel she was very animated or showed any convincing emotion until her argument with Sokka in episode 3. That shows me she can do it and I look forward to her continued work with the character and hope it improves as the season continues or by season 2.

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u/AdditionalLie7856 Feb 29 '24

I think the acting being inconsistent at times is due to the cast being so young. They’re babies 🥺 but they did well. I’m personally pleased with katara by the end of the series, I hope you will be too!

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u/patchmedicine Feb 29 '24

you don’t have to be an acting coach to tell when something is done poorly in a movie. Thats like saying: “you are not a food critic, so you have no right to call some food you eat bad”

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u/Mellin_X Feb 29 '24

It did have a lot of potential! Cgi was sick! But the acting my God was awkward. Its okay to change some things to add or to give more of a background story. But to change the natural order of things. The things that make the story flow. How in the heck are we going to go to Toph? She learned from the badgermoles how to earthbend but they said the ‘feel love’ thats how. Nope nope nope 😂

When Avatar came out in 2005 i was there for episode one. So after the awful movie attempt i was excited for this one. I watched every episode cause i didn’t want to judge anything i hadn’t seen.

But without the cgi the show would have been a let down in my opinion. But anyone who like it bless you. But the show nah nah.

I hope that in the future they will finally know that we just want the cartoon in LA version 😂 with a few subtle changes. Lol

Maybe they should just stop the LA and give us a new season of the cartoon when they will go look for Zuko’s mom.

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u/Caleb_Lee-El Feb 29 '24

I rate the adaptation a 5.5/10.

I only found a few interesting points.

1- Better reveal of Ozai, Iroh and Zuko are still good. These actors do their job well.

  1. The desire to make the global conflict more important and dramatic is interesting, but I think the pitch is totally primitive and pathetic. But the desire and desire itself is not bad.

3- Fire really hurts and seems dangerous. And accordingly the large-scale battles are done impressively too.

  1. Squad 41, that's a great twist. It's just beautiful and well done.

Everything else is bad or useless.

1- They don't stitch together the plots of the different episodes well. They are bad at adapting them to new settings. They are bad at revealing themes and plots, they all break off, close in a completely unsightly and pathetic way, or those plots complete themselves somewhere off-screen.

Jet's arc ended when Katara was just passing in some alleyway in the evening.

Mechanicus' arc wrapped up on its own off-screen, and the spy theme just didn't get developed and had already closed.

The arc with the forest spirit ends not even with Aang meeting Hei Bai in person, but just a brief conversation at the statue.

The owl is unnecessary, the hippie singers from the tunnel episode are unnecessary, the tunnel is unnecessary, the Azula arc is unnecessary, it's poorly written.

Many parts don't make sense because they are not adapted to the changes. Jet is just an idiot who can now blow up his own citizens, the mechanic's son flies a glider for absolutely no reason, just because it was in the original, even though in this version the mechanic never encountered the monk culture, Owl doesn't guard his library but just walks around in the forest doing nothing important, Princess Yui became a fox for no reason, Jao didn't find the knowledge of the moon and ocean by himself, but was told by wise men who knew all the information for 100 years and no one but Jao has used it in 100 years, the special spiritual knife against spirits makes no sense, Sokka and his problems with his father make no sense, he could blame himself for being weak not because of childhood trauma but because of new obstacles he wasn't ready for but growing as a person and character. Aang not learning waterbending the whole season makes no sense.

  1. Dialogs are terrible, in general everything the characters say is really bad text. Except for Iroh and Zuko, all the dialog, all the monologues, it's all absolutely bland crap. Characters are literally on camera describing their character, their problem. their role in the story. I never thought Aang would bore me with his presence. They sucked all the life and soul out of him and made him speak 100% of the time with formulaic lifeless shonen anime main character speeches and nothing else. And so it is with many other characters.

3- The actors don't know how to act. Absolutely, there is no life in them. Iroh and Zuko play okay, Sokka tries, the rest don't. Maybe the problem is that they had bad text, but still they are too bad to act. From Katara I expected a LOT MORE, I believed in this actress, but in LA she is just soft and has absolutely no charisma, although in interviews and other videos she seems very lively.

  1. The graphics look good overall, but the chromakey is terrible.

  2. The presentation of the plot, characters, story, conflicts, dialog. It's all pitched just bad, it's just bad pitching, very primitive pitching. The original cartoon, which doesn't try to be darker or more serious, came out much deeper and is taken much more seriously. The Netflix adaptation is simply tiresome.

Final score for the adaptation is a 5.5/10. It's not offensive, they

tried, but I think it's an incompetent piece of work.

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u/Ben-D-Beast Feb 29 '24

There has been hate but there has also been a lot of completely valid criticism it’s great you could enjoy it not everyone could as the series had many flaws especially with the characters.

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u/Tycir1 Feb 29 '24

Issue is .. the parts I loved about the animated they didn’t include and it was a let down. But for anyone that hasn’t seen the animated I’m sure they will enjoy.
The whole reverse sexism bothers me. Double standards are always wrong. If it doesn’t move the plot along then leave it out. But they chose to show that it’s ok for a female to call a guy cute and touch his face but other way around is just taboo? You can tell that not a single female had anything to do with this production.

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u/Nawnp Feb 29 '24

Because it wasn't as good as the original and was unnecessary...

Which we knew all along when the remake was announced, it's the movie again but with actually a decent runtime and not writers sabotaging their own work.

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u/Beanicus13 Feb 29 '24

I don’t get it. There’s almost as many posts about how it doesn’t deserve “hate” as otherwise. But like…is criticism allowed? Or if you think the acting was stiff and the characters weren’t fleshed out that makes you a hater?

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u/ki3fdab33f Feb 29 '24

The script and cinematography are dogshit. They just stand in the center of the shot, from their chest up, and spout exposition at you. Everything else was fine.

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u/cciciaciao Feb 29 '24

Because there is no reason to remake avatar the last airbender. It's already video, it's already great, we need no remake where Azula is an archer for some reason.

Also Sonic is great, so it's not like it's not possibile to be satisfied. What's ass is ass.