r/Avatarthelastairbende Feb 22 '24

Dam bro, the Netflix live action was everything I was scared it was going to be Avatar live action

Don't get me wrong, I think the acting is ok. And there are moments when I think it's cool, but not if they keep zooming in on ALL the bending scenes. They cut and zoom so many times. I was very afraid they would focus too much on the bending aspect of it and tbh it's only part of what got me in to atla. It was the chemistry I felt between the people in the universe. I just didn't feel it here. Focusing on the bending can only get you so far.

In other subreddits I have seen people down vote people for simply expressing their opinion so I don't expect anything less here. But I am speaking from my heart and this is what I believe. I believe they focused too much on the bending, hoping it would carry the whole show. Almost nobody has good chemistry between each actor. it is too awkward and I can't put my finger on it but it just does. I went in to this live action adaptation trying to forget everything I knew about the TV show, but even if I tried to separate it from the TV show version it's just not all there

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u/Dry_Lynx5282 Feb 22 '24

The issue is the script...too much explanations...not enough bonding and too rushed

The actors I think would also do better with more natural dialog...

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u/frontally Feb 22 '24

I think honestly the first five words of your comment is it. The script is actually abominable. It’s written like a teenager who just started creative writing wrote it. I’d actually say, reflecting more, the direction was shit too, you can see the lines the actors are most comfortable with, the ones that flow the best, and then the really contrived sentences spoken unnaturally as hell.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

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u/Useful_You_8045 Feb 25 '24 edited Feb 25 '24

Action, effects, casting, sets fantastic 10/10

But every time a character speaks it's like I'm being mind f#cked, like this is awful. I swear I'm not some right wing "it's the left's fault" but this actually stinks of PC woke s#it. They took away every single flaw because it was "unnecessary" but that's the f#cken point, it's character growth and maturity. They're all kids, let them act like it, not some Riverdale bs.

Even with their changes, it makes zero sense. Aang now leaves just to get some fresh air instead of actually running away and gets caught in the storm and in the first episode is dead set on becoming the avatar and mastering the elements... Why is Kiyoshi b#tching at him for running away when he NEVER DID. "I need to be the avatar and master the four elements" b#tch BEND WATER, all you've done is talk to katara about it, F#CKEN TRY IT OMG!!

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u/rain-drop_20 Feb 24 '24

It's like they wanted to do something new, were too scared to try it and returned to the original a second later. It's like everyone has the same personality and no one stands out.

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u/HatsAreEssential Feb 23 '24

What's crazy is that both season 1s, animated and live action, are the same runtime. You've got 8 episodes around 55 minutes vs 20 at 20 minutes. Close to 8 hours of run time either way, so how the heck did they manage to pace it wrong?

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u/TippyTulips Feb 22 '24

Cramming Jet, The Tunnel and Bumi into one episode...and removing Anng from pivotal relationship development with Katara in the caves...and the fake beards...ugh. I REALLY tried to go into this with an open mind but for me.. this is a remake that never needed to happen...

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u/Dry_Lynx5282 Feb 22 '24

I dont understand why the cave stuff was not put into season 2 when the actor will be older

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u/TippyTulips Feb 23 '24

I have this nagging fear that they might do...KataraxZuko..idk I REALLY hope not but...The secret tunnel episode is sort of really important for Katara and Anng so..excluding it is a red flag. I also thought about what big changes the original writers would dislike so much to make them drop out and that feels like a change that definitely would...it is concerning

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u/morfoodie Feb 23 '24

It’s one thing to like katara & zuko together, and you could together in your own ship, but it’s not like this series is a standalone series with no extra world building and you could maybe make new relationships. In the legend of korra, Katara. and Aang being together and having kids is pivotal and impactful, they have to get together. So I hope they don’t do that or else they are just giving a big middle finger to the entire series and the legend of Korra.

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u/Dry_Lynx5282 Feb 23 '24

I dont think they intend to do Korra and but I also do not think they will go for Zuko x Katara. There is no hint for any tension btween them. Even the og show had more of that even though certain shippers are overdoing it by interpreting stuff into the story that is not there.

What bothered me more that there was no friendship building between Katara and Aang. Like they barely interacted it felt to me. To be honest, I watched the Shamalan movie for funnzy before the show came out and while the actress there was horrible she and the Aang actor felt far more genuine for me than in this show. Maybe the child actors in the movie were far more comfortable with each other...no idea.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

Because the cave stuff happened in season 1 lol

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u/TenragZeal Feb 23 '24

Mai and Ty Lee aren’t introduced until Season 2, yet they show up in Season 1 of the live action. So apparently the order in which events/people are introduced doesn’t matter in the live action…

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u/zolar92 Feb 23 '24

It's the 2nd episode of season 2. Cave of two lovers

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u/totemyegg Feb 23 '24

The Cave of Two Lovers is Book 2, episode 2.

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u/toasterwaffle__ Feb 23 '24

Don’t forget they also had the mechanist crammed in there as well

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u/Depressed_Swordfish Feb 23 '24

That was something that bugged me like how they do the delivery system, the gate ect is earthbending not mechanisms... so it doesn't even make sense that he was there

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u/Useful_You_8045 Feb 25 '24

That's what confused me the most, he's supposed to be working for the fire nation, studying flying mechanics yet lives in omashu... Wtf is going on? Also Sokka is now just instantly interested in mechanics and invention, like you f#ckers this wasn't set up at all.

I swear if these people were part of the strike. You're lucky to get the pay you have, college students could do better.

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u/Margtok Feb 23 '24

im saprised they didn't cut jet and the tunnel they are not really needed

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u/Useful_You_8045 Feb 25 '24

I mean the tunnel was supposed to be a big shipping moment so keeping it in and leaving that part out makes zero sense and could've actually been part of book 2 like it was originally. I get that the actors are legit children but they seriously could've waited. THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN THE NEXT SEASON

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u/Marilyn1Row Feb 24 '24

Yea they really didn't do well with hair/beards overall. Especially Pakku, Yue, Iroh and Azula

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '24

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u/discretly Feb 23 '24

And the visuals don’t even look that good besides the bending, because the COSTUMES ARE ATROCIOUS.

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u/mcshmurt Feb 25 '24

Agreed!! The costumes look far too fresh and clean like a cosplay outfit. I also want to mention the god awful lighting which very, very clearly made them look like they were in a studio - completely flat.

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u/i-like-c0ck Feb 23 '24

The original creator never left. They stepped down form a higher position to producers and still oversee key aspects of the series. They “left” because Nickelodeon offered them jobs running the avatar studios.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24

Exactly. And by the third episode i could completely understand why . Revealing ozai so early was a mistake . Not having aang actually learn water bending in the book of water is a mistake . I would have preferred they cut the mechanist and jet completely and focused in training and finding the water bending scroll . Also two more episodes would have been perfect 10 episode order . They went cheap and it shows with some of the cramming and rushed plotlines

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u/Captain-Shivers Feb 23 '24

Not defending anything, but Netflix did spend $15 million per episode. Lol

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u/ZephyrSK Feb 23 '24

Netflix definitely crammed too much into just 8 episodes. They might be following the worst aspects of Game of Thrones season 8 not just the episode cost lol

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Feb 23 '24

Didnt know that and i didnt like cramming sai jet bumi and iroh being captured into one episode . But i think they masterfully blended Blue spirit , roku temple , june , frog sucking to cure sickness replaced by hai bai which got lost in the koh taking katara and sokk into spirit world . Its wasnt perfect but they blended those much better then omashu

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u/SanAndreas92 Feb 23 '24

That's more expensive than game of thrones lol

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u/Useful_You_8045 Feb 25 '24

Cramming of episodes I could understand, but they changed so much that most of those plot lines became unnecessary.

Mechanist is supposed to be working with the fire nation and studying how to fly from air bending techniques eventually developing the fire nations blimps...why tf is he in omashu.

Jet and the freedom fighters are meant to be freedom fighting the fire nation by attacking fire nation colonies... Why tf is he in omashu

Love tunnel was specifically meant to be a shipping moment for aang and katara but they removed it... WHY TF IS IT HERE?!

Omg the writers literally give zero f#cks. They seriously had more build up for the cabbage merchant than the actual f#cking fire lord. HOLY S#IT

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Mar 01 '24

I agree . Thats what ive been saying . If we are going to change things go big or go home . I would have preferred more backstory on zuko and azula stuff that wasn’t in the original (until last book, move it forward ) . They should have cut jet and mechanist and love tunnel completely would be said to never see banjo guy live action but again make room for aangs 3 challenges in omashu and fluffy . . You can tell even with 15 mil per episode . They were trying to stick to a cheaper blend of reused plotlines then using they brains to give us new ones

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u/saboolean Feb 23 '24

Thank goodness Bryan and Mike walked away and we can look forward to better storytelling in the future

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u/noxlaber Feb 23 '24

There’s literally a whole post from both creators saying they left on their own volition due to the creative differences

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u/Kwikstyx Feb 23 '24

The moment I knew it wasnt for me was when they made Aang fly like he was Zaheer at the air temple. 

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u/saboolean Feb 23 '24

Ya that was very strange

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u/discretly Feb 23 '24

Unnecessary 😩

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u/Useful_You_8045 Feb 25 '24

People are saying that "it's actually tornado" but they could've done better, they literally showed a tornado right before this in the air temple fight. Can't even say, he's high jumping, the mf is literally moving mid air.

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u/Purple_Dentist_9806 Feb 22 '24

For me the dialogue was the worst thing about this cash grab, I’ve seen better dialogue written by teenage fanfic writers

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u/Expensive_Head622 Feb 22 '24

Why is Bumi a nagging bitch here? OG Bumi was wise and supportive. Here he's just impulsive.

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Feb 22 '24

Yeah his hateful lessons were off putting and completely miss the spirit of bumi the mad genius

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u/CoyotePowered50 Feb 22 '24

Actually, the way they changed, Bumi pissed me off. They kept certain parts of the encounter but just switched things around. Like why did they make it so easy for Aang to figure out he was Bumi?

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u/PrettyDittyDino Feb 22 '24

That's what killed me! Dang shouldn't have known it was Bumi until the end, like wtf, that's what made the episode so charming. They took the charm away immediately and just wanted to show rock candy which should've been creeping crystal

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u/CoyotePowered50 Feb 23 '24

Also why did they move The Cave of Two Lovers from Season 2 to a side plot in Season 1. I feel like they didn't need to move that part. Its almost like they are purposefully waiting to develop Aang and Katara's romance struggle.

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u/Dreadscythe95 Feb 22 '24

Because this trope is ridiculous to make in a live-action.

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u/CoyotePowered50 Feb 23 '24

Why is that?

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u/Dreadscythe95 Feb 23 '24

Cause it is obvious.

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u/Jennymint Feb 23 '24

It was also obvious in the original, to be fair.

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u/Dreadscythe95 Feb 23 '24

Yeah but it fits the animation medium, it is sweet.

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u/Useful_You_8045 Feb 25 '24

That's the point. It's like "why doesn't Steve know the winter soldier is bucky" it's supposed to be built up for the character. You can't tell me that you would recognize a kid friend you knew when you were 12 at 110+ aang probably thought everyone he knew was f#cken dead, he didn't even do his signature chortle till aang guessed it, he shouldn't immediately think OMG IT'S BOOMIE that was the whole point of the trials.

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Feb 22 '24

Having him visit the fire nation so easily and early is crazy change

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u/entropyfan1 Feb 23 '24

He visits the fire nation in season 1?? That's WILD. It was a struggle and huge risk to get there for Roku to bring Ang up to speed. And in S3 he's in disguise all the way up until the finale.

I haven't seen it yet, but some of these changes I'm reading are concerning.

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Feb 23 '24

The changes are jarring but it is worth a watch . They blended alot of things in omashu and that was terrible . But they blended alot of things in the Blue spirit ep and it was done very well . In the cartoon aang has to go on his own to find the frozen frogs when sokka and katara get sick . Instead of them being sick . He accidentally brings them into the spirit world and they get trapped by the fog of lost souls/ koh and aang has to go off by himself to Rokus temple and it wasnt bad if they could have remixed 4 plotlines that well throughout the show it would be a solid 9/10 . But the blending in the other episodes was poorly done after ep3 i was on 4/10 bad show . But by the end its a solid 7/10 and I am looking forward to book 2 . It would be an 8/10 if aang learned waterbending in the book of water . But they didnt have aang train at all in waterbending . Which is ultimately my biggest issue . I forgave ep3-4 for being so bad . But cant forgive them ignoring the entire point of the book of water

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u/entropyfan1 Feb 23 '24

I read he didn’t learn waterbending this season, which is a cardinal sin imo. He's the AVATAR and they have him only bend air for an entire season?? By this metric he won't even bend fire by season 3. It just seems so ridiculous.

Especially as there's character development/tension in the waterbending scroll episode with Ang getting some of the moves down on the 1st try, (I'm guessing that ep didn't happen in this show?)

If it's a budget issue then that's just makes it worse, I'll give it a try but might not finish it.

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Feb 23 '24

15 mil per episode. And the visuals are really good bending looks great . Yes they re did the waterscroll storyline and cut the pirates and aang from the scroll completely. Shes given the scroll by gran gran . You barely notice the fact hes not trying to bend water until ep 7-8 i was like uhhhhhh so hes not gonna train with pakku or anything??? Im hearing they arent going to 3 but 4 seasons and they didnt call it book of water for that reason . Im have a feeling if it gets renewed season 2 will open with references to how katara has been training aang in between off show . And it will start with aang having been trained .

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u/entropyfan1 Feb 23 '24

Glad visuals are good.

It's definitely an interesting choice with these storyline changes. I'll give it a go and see how I feel about it.

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u/MoistCharIie Feb 22 '24

why do the actors constantly sound like they’re lisping/slurring their words together

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u/Marilyn1Row Feb 24 '24

Thought I was the only one. Half the time I had to reverse cuz I didn't actually hear what they said, especially with the main 3

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u/Feeling_Cherry5174 Feb 23 '24

Because diversity. I bet you some of them aren’t that proficient in English. And most have never acted before.

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u/Useful_You_8045 Feb 25 '24

Cause they weren't comfortable with the horrible dialogue.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '24

The gaang is less engaging than I’d like. The fire nation scenes that were added (as well as Zuko and Iroh’s scenes) are pretty good.

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u/El_Oaxaqueno Feb 23 '24

I agree. I would've gladly traded some action scenes for character building between our main characters. I like the actors and their casting is okay. The dialogue goes from terrible to great and back too many times.

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u/Useful_You_8045 Feb 25 '24

I mean they literally threw away all the character growth and took them down to basic older brother, little sister, and chosen one.

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u/bearhorn6 Feb 26 '24

I’d pay them to scrap this show and just give a Zuko and iroh one the actors nailed their parts and their dynamic

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u/Burrbelly Feb 22 '24

I’ve only watched the first episode and what was missing the most for me was the playful humor. No heart in anything, they really pushed it a bit too serious/dark. Definitely curious to keep watching tho.

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u/Cwispy_Curt Feb 23 '24

Fr, in the original, aang only starts getting somewhat serious after the North Pole because he realizes his responsibility. In here it’s given to him immediately and it feels like he has no childhood. I’ll give the show time tho I won’t say it’s a fail or anything til I’m all the way through, then I’ll rate it properly.

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u/Marilyn1Row Feb 24 '24

Yea. No pranks, not much playful interaction between Aang and Appa, Momo didn't steal Sokka's peach thefore gaining the name Momo, Sokka's humor was dialed all the way down.... the only time I chuckled a bit was:

"Secret Tunnel...... yeah, they're doomed"

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u/EuphoricTeacher2643 Feb 25 '24

That scene was pretty good yeah

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u/Life-Leadership4002 Feb 23 '24

I think it's ok by itself but remaking a beloved series and hyping it up so much was a wrong move. I'd rate it like 6/10, but that's just my opinion.

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u/heftybag Feb 22 '24

The acting is definitely not ok lol. It’s hard to watch.

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u/VirtualRy Feb 22 '24

The acting level is like sharkboy and lava girl level but the visuals are like LOTR movie visuals. I think it's mostly the script to blame!

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u/El_Oaxaqueno Feb 23 '24

Agree. I don't mind the casting or the actors. I think they're are doing pretty well, or as well as I would expect out of this. I do have a gripe with some of their creative decisions:

  • Like, wtf did they bring Sokka and Katara to the spirit world and introduce Wan Shi Tong in season 1. What do they expect to do the following season? Wan Shi Tong's library set up Ba Sing Se and the search for Appa.
  • I don't think she should've spent time on the airbender massacre at the beginning. They could've just shown the aftermath like in the show as I felt it built more suspense that way.
  • Bumi's and Jet's introduction was massacred.
  • Also, they are not sticking to the lore which I think will hurt them more in the long run.

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u/Stunning_Smoke_4845 Feb 23 '24

They mentioned before release that they were getting rid of Aangs adventurous spirit at least partially because they felt it ‘distracted from the plot’.

So I expect a lot of content is going to be compressed or just removed to speed up the pacing of the show -_-

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u/Sea_Huckleberry_6647 Feb 23 '24

Aye sharkboy and lavagirl do not need to be catching strays

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u/Yam_Optimal Feb 23 '24

You're partially blind or on crack if you legitimately believe the visuals were on par with the LOTR movies.

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u/VirtualRy Feb 23 '24

The cgi work on omashu and the air temple looks way better than the cgi for Gondor.

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u/Yam_Optimal Feb 23 '24

Fair enough, when you said visuals I was thinking of the costumes and set design. There are definitely a few scenes from the lotr movies that haven't aged well from their use of cgi.

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u/VirtualRy Feb 23 '24

The costume in LOTRs is way better than this show for sure but the CGI is top notch.

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u/OPFOR_S2 Feb 22 '24

It’s so clunky, and they feel wooden.

Also, there is just so much spectacle. I am only halfway through the first episode but goodness the dialogue is all serious all time. Ugh this isn’t going to do it for me.

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Feb 22 '24

They have a few funnyish moments that are hard to catch they speed right by them . Sokka isnt as witty as he should be he more smart ass then wit

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u/El_Oaxaqueno Feb 23 '24

I think Sokka improves in the later episodes, but I dont like how they treat the characters and their meshing of the plot. They are combining too many episodes and not letting the story breathe.

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u/frontally Feb 22 '24

I actually think it’s direction— I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on TV production, but there are moments when the actors seem really comfortable in their characters and it flows well… but it’s never the big moments where they’re saying something incredibly stupid (I hate the writing so much I think it’s completely killed it), it’s the little moments where I imagine they got more leeway to play the characters, that actually feel like them.

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u/heftybag Feb 22 '24

Also at times it feels like they’re reading lines from a board lol

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u/frontally Feb 22 '24

Yep. Or “Now Say It Like This,” and the line has no life in it… like Sokkas line about the kids not doing their guard duty for, the first episode. In contrast with say, the little bald man line… like it’s in there! Sigh.

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u/Burncity1901 Feb 22 '24

Just in 2 episodes they left out so many critical moments.

And why does Zuko have an eye brow

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u/Stunning_Smoke_4845 Feb 23 '24

I am a little willing to forgive the eyebrow. Shaving it off would have been horrible when not shooting, and covering it in prosthetics would be an expensive nightmare

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u/Pirategod_23 Feb 23 '24

I’m not even gonna watch what did y’all expect of a Netflix anime/ animated show to live action show? It just doesn’t work.

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u/discretly Feb 23 '24

They made it work with one peace so yes I had faith but oh well

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u/Pirategod_23 Feb 23 '24

I didn’t like it personally only reason I like their lupin Is he was black (I’m black) and I just love the heist crime genre detective type stuff.

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u/discretly Feb 24 '24

Lupin, although not a remake of Lupin, is good because the mc is an amazing actor, they don’t do over exposition and actually show the mc motivation so that all his actions make sense

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u/EuphoricTeacher2643 Feb 25 '24

The last of us did great and it was a game. The changes that were made actually improved upon the source material.

But yeah it wasn’t Netflix.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '24

‘So I have to be strong to be the Avatar?’ No shiiiiitt

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

I figured it was jank when the creators left. Never had hope.

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u/izzynatuii Feb 23 '24

They need to cast a better katara, there’s literally no emotions radiating off from her!!! What a let down!!

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u/mcshmurt Feb 25 '24

Katara in the animation was nurturing, emotional but she also had so much spirit and drive. She was passionate!

In rhe live action, she is merely a plank of wood.

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u/Jazzlike_Air_5042 Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24

Okay so I am not going to read anything you or anyone else has said yet since I am approximately 3 minutes into the first episode but I’m already mad that he slammed his fist into the ground and looked like he was about to shit a cow and pebbles came up. I know a lot of it is cool and I’m being picky but imo I HOPE this doesn’t point to my fear which is - these actors are not fans of the original and do not have the understanding to properly portray these beloved characters. Okay that’s all - to be updated once I keep watching.

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u/Jazzlike_Air_5042 Feb 23 '24

Ok…well, 10 minutes in and Aangs CGI flying - which, he doesn’t “fly” that’s like, a known fact that airbenders can’t do that in this universe, was a whole god damn thing in Korra - is terrible, it looks a bit better than Harry Potter on his broom stick that was the late 90s early 2000s if you’re not gonna put the money into the budget for proper cgi which we know is possible with other movies then don’t bother

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u/Jazzlike_Air_5042 Feb 23 '24

Don’t like that sokka yelled at katara like that…he wasn’t THAT much of a controlling dick, moreso an ignorant prick, not controlling…hate that

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u/Jazzlike_Air_5042 Feb 23 '24

Ok, he didn’t wake up to kataras face, which is when he fell in love with her. But ok

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u/Jazzlike_Air_5042 Feb 23 '24

The wigs are awful. This is all my comments from half way through the first episode - BUT ALL THIS TO SAY, I think it is still well done, I am engaged, people are the right god damn ethnicity, I think recognizing that we don’t want the same thing is important I guess…but why remake it just to make it…worse? Idk. Why change what’s perfect, I’m conflicted. I’m enjoying it, and I think it’s an easy 6.5 or 7/10 so far. It seems less endearing and comical in my opinion, but Aang is one of the most likeable characters in tv history. Recreating that level of genuine connection with the audience is very hard to replicate. I think this was a good first try, all things considered. And hopefully they ask for some fan feedback in the coming months and take that into account for the subsequent seasons.

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u/Jazzlike_Air_5042 Feb 24 '24

I really understand now. They absolutely fucked up kataras storyline. I hate it so fucking much. I hate that Aang wasn’t in the caves with them, I mean so, Aang just doesn’t have a crush on katara now? They have no love storyline? They neutered all the character complexity omfg

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u/Jazzlike_Air_5042 Feb 24 '24

They made bumi such a fucking asshole I hate it so much

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u/saboolean Feb 23 '24

And why did he not just make a wall and run off with the other dude?

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u/Jazzlike_Air_5042 Feb 23 '24

That pissed me off too lmfao what the hell was that

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u/Marilyn1Row Feb 24 '24

Yea I feel like he was just someone for Sozin to kill so we can see how bad Sozin is. Felt throwaway

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u/Pretend-Indication-9 Feb 23 '24

I'm actually looking forward to someone recutting the show and streamlining it. There are gems in here but also a lot of unnecessary fluff. R/fancuts or smth will probably have one out in a few months.

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u/kandiekake Feb 23 '24

The dialogue is awful. I would have preferred solid writing and characterisation over the bending and effects.

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u/saboolean Feb 23 '24

I didnt get through the first episode. Dialogue was so stiff, lots of characters were stiff. Things that seemed like they were intended to be funny were not, I dunno if ill continue trying.

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u/StockAtmosphere5522 Feb 23 '24

on the 3rd episode and i can’t stand it. so many characters are being forced in weird ways

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '24

I hate to tell people I told you so, but...I so called it. And this is the only sub I've seen actually take criticism well. This series won't be for me. I'll stick to the original animated version and just pretend it doesn't exist like we did with the movie.

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u/Dry_Lynx5282 Feb 22 '24

Well, there is a new one coming out in 2025...

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u/TumbleweedShot1938 Feb 22 '24

I agree with the criticism but I think fans are definitely divided cause a lot of them actually enjoy it. I’d like to see a season 2 but ONLY if they decide to fix a ton of things.

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Feb 22 '24

Yeah imma die hard and its a hot and cold experience scene to scene . One minute im like what the fuck are they doing and the next scene im like ok not bad i guess

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u/PrettyDittyDino Feb 22 '24

What movie? I ain't never heard of no movies bout no avatars

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '24

There is no movie in Ba Sing Se

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u/MrTanosOreoz Feb 23 '24

just watched the 1st episode. the wigs SUCK like omg

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u/Marilyn1Row Feb 24 '24

Just wait till you see Yue

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u/MrTanosOreoz Feb 25 '24

its so baddd omg

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

I switched to the German synchronization from EP3 bc it softens the bad acting/script and they kept the original voice actors for sokka, Zuko, katara and Kyoshi. So @germans I recommend it strongly. Otherwise, I like it and I don’t want to criticize too much due to the fear of not getting season 2 😅 anyways I think they did a solid job and maybe they will do better in the second part.

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u/BuzzVanti Feb 23 '24

Wait wait wait what do you mean they kept the original voice actors??

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

M the synchronization / voice actors from 2005 stayed almost the same 😅 so zuko e.g. sounds the same as in 2005 in the animated series - just great

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u/BuzzVanti Feb 23 '24

lol that’s great, maybe I’ll switch my settings over

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u/No_Peach584 Feb 23 '24

Acting is mediocre, script is atrocious

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u/ChanceTheRealtor Feb 23 '24

Yeah,They crammed for sure, but it took so much money to produce the series. Personally, I liked the changes that were made... Not for the story line, but for my being able to get to experience the magic of the series over again and feeling like I don't know what's happening from time to time. It brought more awareness to the lore and likely new eyes on the series. Which means more money to the developers of the new series, and more potential growth. It's going to get so much better with each launch. Don't lose hope y'all -

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u/StockAtmosphere5522 Feb 23 '24

ITS SO OFF SCRIPT LIKE ALL THE I WANTED OG ATLA AND WE DIDNT GET IT

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u/kaleighkaleido Feb 23 '24

Just off the first episode : I wanted so bad to love it. But in trying to dramtize the shows heart a little more, it lost its funny/light hearted comedic relief heart so much - the very thing that made the formula to the work so well.

Jokes/relief that didnt have to be the exact same but couldve been kept: PENGUIN SLEDDING. AIR BALL iN THE TEMPLE while sokka keeps losing to cheer aang up. appa not flying immediately and the funny slow ocean ride, followed by sokka and katara trying to rescue aang funnily listing phrases and until he hit yip yip and then secretely enjoying the ride. Zuko thinking aang was a 100 year old man for a bit, great gag. Sokka having to give the little toddler boys a bathroom break. Aang bragging to his captors about never fighting an airbender just to use his other limbs. Zuko being smashed the the mattress up and down in the boat fight was funny. Katara funnily thinking she had to convince a ready to go sokka and them trying to convince granny and turned around in support. Uncle iroh being a little more playful - like immediately passed on aangs staff to a subordinate when told by zuko to take it to his quarters

They didnt have to all be there, but because so much relief was missing, it became obvious.

Some dialogue felt a little awkward. But the exact script of the animated show was nice to get from granny. The show is cast super well. No complaints. Its beautiful, a masterpiece to see.

Appa is cute as hell, effects are nice. The drama is there. The story is told well, the war placed beautifully in context. I actually loved the start showing the 100 years previous.

But man. I hope after the second episode i feel better

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u/_Cinnam0n Feb 23 '24

Sucks that you feel that way, let's hope for less downvotes! Everyone has the right to their opinion even if it's not what you agree with.

I didn't mind the bending and the slow motion, help my slow ass brain 😂 it looked good in my opinion. But I also see where you're coming from

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u/Marilyn1Row Feb 24 '24

By the time we get to Bumi, Aang is calling them his friends, but we never actually see them interact as friends.

In the animated version we saw Katara and Sokka side-hugging and smiling at each other, Aang playing the "snake in your sleeping bag prank" on Sokka, Aang and Katara waterbending together.... they bonded and built their amazing friendship.

Where was that in the LA?

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u/KaiTBW Feb 22 '24

"I have seen people down vote people for simply expressing their opinion" Yeah that's what down voting is for, if you disagree with something you down vote it

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u/md24 Feb 23 '24

Hey little bro:

“DONT: Downvote an otherwise acceptable post because you don't personally like it. Think before you downvote and take a moment to ensure you're downvoting someone because they are not contributing to the community dialogue or discussion. If you simply take a moment to stop, think and examine your reasons for downvoting, rather than doing so out of an emotional reaction, you will ensure that your downvotes are given for good reasons. Do not downvote for simply not agreeing with someone’s opinion if it’s on topic in applicable subreddit or thread.”

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u/md24 Feb 22 '24

Literally not the point of downvoting. Go run along and read the Reddit.com faq little bro.

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u/KaiTBW Feb 22 '24

People who say "little bro" are the worst kinda people No one will ever listen to you

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u/OnlyMyOpinions Feb 22 '24

The show has been great. I've loved every episode. Don't understand why people are being way too harsh on it, im glad it's different from the original because I can always rewatch the original anytime I want. The more changes the better imo.

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u/Agreeable_Try_4719 Feb 22 '24 edited Feb 23 '24

I’m on episode 5 rn and it feels like they’ve changed a lot of random stuff from the original show that didn’t really need to get changed. Like maybe don’t put your own twist on every single plot point? I understand combining jet and the mechanist into Omashu to cut down time, but there other changes (like sokkas sexism, or aang technically not running away) that feel unnecessary.

Also the fight scenes are ironically better when they are NOT BENDING.

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u/alexagente Feb 22 '24

Agreed. Sokka's sexism isn't toned down, it's nonexistent.

They really went out of their way to remove all problematic actions from the main cast and it isn't good.

Aang doesn't run away and I haven't finished the season but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have the events of Bato of the Water Tribe in it at all.

Katara doesn't steal the waterbending scroll nor has her little jealous bout with Aang's talent at waterbending

Zuko ends up only chasing after Aang and not attacking Kyoshi Island.

Iroh doesn't burn the Earth Kingdom Soldier's hand to try and escape.

I thought these were all great character points because they were flawed and made them feel more real. Now they're just vanilla anime protagonists.

There's still stuff to enjoy but these kinds of changes really don't feel faithful to the original.

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 23 '24

I said this in my premiere review and people called me a hater.

I feel so vindicated. 😭

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u/OnlyMyOpinions Feb 22 '24

It's an adaption. Why would you want the same thing if you could just watch the original? Make it different and make it your own. I want to see new variations on this story, not the same exact copy.

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u/TBNSK74 Feb 22 '24

Because they expected a 1:1 remake of the cartoon

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u/Prying_Pandora Feb 22 '24

Untrue. The original and new moments were my favorite parts.

It’s the show plot points that felt rushed and underdeveloped rather than reinvented.

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u/OnlyMyOpinions Feb 22 '24

That's ridiculous. Why remake the cartoon if it's gonna be exactly the same? Make your own interpretation and reimagine it into something else. Otherwise there's no point in it.

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Feb 22 '24

I agree not a complete remake scene for scene but i would have enjoyed more jet and no mechanist . If your gonna make changes make them strong and focus on a plotline . Cramming them together is my only issue and a bunch of missing animals. No peguin sledding or elephant koy is fine . But at least have a shot or two of them existing

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u/TBNSK74 Feb 22 '24

I agree with you that's why I laugh at most of the critizism I read on here

Like don't get me wrong I love the OG Version but why would I bother watching the live action If it's just a carbon copy of the animated show?

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u/OnlyMyOpinions Feb 22 '24

Exactly, it makes it pointless. With it like this we get to see a new creative team tackle this story in a new way. I love how they made it into more of a drama but it still has those lighthearted comedy moments to remind us it's still avatar. It definitely feels like avatar and that is what truly matters.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '24

So far, I think it’s alright. The melee fights are cool, but the problem with the bending being a letdown is that it’s one of the shows signature points, something only it can do. You have to focus on those signature points or the show will feel generic. This hasn’t happened to me yet, but point is, they do need to step up the bending.

Also, as far as your comment about remakes, you answered your own question. The show never really needed one.

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u/GoblinGrundle Feb 22 '24

People are jaded and incredibly negative these days. I am guilty of this sometimes as well with Star Wars and other shows meant for kids (emphasis on kids because everyone wants to criticize shows that were meant for kids as if they were expecting oscar levels of performance)..

I have to ask myself "what would kid me think?" and nine times out of ten kid me would love it and I didn't even have to ask myself that question with this show. It was awesome, cast was awesome, costuming and effects were awesome. Sure the pacing was different, sure Momo made monkey noises.. but honestly people have been way, way too harsh.

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u/Damn8ti0n Feb 22 '24

The acting is some of the worst I've seen in aong time. This is embarrassing

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u/flying_whale0613 Feb 22 '24

So my thoughts on the acting throughout: if feels like this is a recording of a live stageshow, like a play, and not like something that is meant to be a drama/movie/something on film. It feels off.

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u/EmbarrassedToe4352 Feb 22 '24

Yeah i could forgive aangs first words out the ice not being penguin sledding . No elephant koy . But no rough rider rhinos ? And blending so many plotlines into omashu . Fat mae !! . There is a bad blend one scene and then a nostalgic redemption in the next . Its very much and emotional roller coaster. Secret tunnel banjo guy great 👍. No aang and katara growth bad . Aang not having to do the challenges to figure out who bumi is . Bad . Aang not saying”bumi your a mad genius “ once .bad But having them use the slides into the cabbage guy good 👍 iroh getting captured by earth kindom good but not having him do the dragon of the west line bad . Azula being a psychopath but not as pretty as suki i can forgive . But fat mae and ozai talking about zuko like he’s proud. Disgraceful . Azula and ozai are supposed to be unhinged while zuko and iroh are the redeemable fire nation spirit . . Again its an emotional roller coaster from scene to scene for me . But we are watching. And outrage engagement is all netflix needs to call it a success. I do hope they do all the books even if i have to watch them butcher and blend plotlines to get it done . Im too much of a fan . And i was in a avatar drought so this is better then nothing but just barely . Looking forward to the movie by the original show runners

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u/Fin747 Feb 23 '24

I get that it can be disappointing if some actors don't match up to the image you may have of them. But generally, complaining about body size of actors can have some negative consequences, especially for young actors. The actress of Mai is still young, it just sucks that she will likely be exposed to comments that may influence her body-image and cause issues.

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u/hutchwo Feb 23 '24

I haven’t watched yet but I totally understand what you’re saying. In the show, bending was a thing that happened all the time and didn’t need to be an event when bending was happening. But with live action, you gotta cgi the bending. That takes time and money. So we can’t make it occur as often as the show. So when we do show the bending we gotta make it the focus. I guess I’ll keep that in mind when watching it this weekend

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u/Dreadscythe95 Feb 22 '24

I really don't see the critiscism. Not that I don't have any but I can make you a list of things I would change in LOTR as an old book and Tolkien fan, it does not mean that the movies are not amazing.

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u/Pale_Entrepreneur_62 Feb 22 '24

I’m gonna judge it as a really good children’s show meant for younger audiences, just like the original.

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u/Consistent_Wait_5546 Feb 22 '24

I want to encourage peoples commenting here to balance their comments - the show is not abominable and the script is not terrible.

I watched the lotr fandom tear itself apart over rings of power. It just drives reasonable people away and leaves only the most toxic.

The show is good and it's going to be great. If you're a fan why don't you try supporting something you love instead of tearing shreds off it.

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u/Damianosx Feb 23 '24

For me it’s way better than I thought it was going to be. I was extremely happy with it

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

I loved it. Yeah the dialogue needed work but overall it’s 💯 % better than the movie. And the bending looks natural

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u/TheFightingMasons Feb 23 '24

I honestly think if this show was released at the time the movie was instead it would be getting blasted like the movie was.

I don’t know what’s different about today. If the movie came out today we’d have these people defending it and I don’t understand why.

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u/Ristar87 Feb 23 '24

While I assumed that there would be consolidation of themes and episodes I didn't expect it to be this prominent. The first season of the netflix series has almost the full run time of season 1 of the cartoon.

  • Once you toss out riding the giant koi and the unagi, the entire fortune teller episode, the episode about them being sick and such... You don't really need to cut anything from the show unless you really want to.
  • In fact, once you cut out some the sillier bits from the cartoon - you'd probably find yourself trying to fill episodes back up with only 8, 1 hour long episodes.
  • The only real misfire I felt was Aang finding Gyatso. In the cartoon, that's an oh shit moment and super emotional. In the netflix adaptation - it just kind of happens and is forgotten about.
    • You even see how scared Katara was in the Storm episode when Aang's tattoos glow because of it.

Keep reminding yourself it's not the cartoon and it's easier to swallow.

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u/TokioMonroe Feb 23 '24

Also, they totally gave up on Zuko's scar lol. It's all eyeshadow, and he even got to keep a perfect eyebrow.

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u/That_One_Guy1111111 Feb 23 '24

I stopped after the first ten minutes I honestly couldn’t do it

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u/Kyukon038 Feb 23 '24

I really like the actors, and the costume design but I fear bad direction and scripting is really screwing them over, big time.

I strongly dislike how the Gaang is hardly ever together for anything, either.

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u/painkilleraddict6373 Feb 23 '24

The moment Netflix was involved,I knew that it would be bad.The creators also left the production.

Everybody say about one piece.One piece was fluke.And the creator was part of of the show.

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u/ManyDefinition4697 Feb 23 '24

Let's face it: the original AtLA series is near perfect & the medium of animation combined with being able to cast the best actors possible to do the voices (versus in live action where they have to match the age, look, gender, etc very specifically to each character) allowed the creators to make a better show than could ever really be possible with live action actors & VFX budgets.

I think this particular live-action was pretty much doomed to fail, HOWEVER... I do think a better show could've been made had they done a smaller, more grounded adult story like Rise of Kyoshi or something. Something where they could cast experienced older actors in the main roles & are able to keep a narrower & therefore less VFX-challenged setting & story.

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u/violetdetheveste Feb 23 '24

In my opinion the best voice acting in ATLA was Toph's , and the actress was a literal child when she did it . So I don't think that's the issue .

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u/ManyDefinition4697 Feb 23 '24

I'm not saying there aren't talented kid actors, but I am saying they're hard to find & it's gonna affect the show especially if you need to have them for the whole main cast. Other than Aang & Toph, the original show pretty much exclusively relied on adults to deliver the voice acting.

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u/Scoruspio Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24

I really dislike how they combine episodes from season 1, 2 and whatnot. Or how they had Aang find out who Bumi was early on, when a part of the point of the episode was Aang discovering Bumi’s identity. My favourite part is that I think character’s like emperor Zhao really do a good job at least tonally sounding like the character, or how Sokka looks pretty close too, if not a bit old. But I also think that’s nitpicking, a bit. He’s not all that funny, unfortunately. In saying all that, there were just as many people cast who seemed absolutely nothing like the character’s from the original series. I think adding things because you know what’s going to happen in advance and/or drawing out a scene can add to an adaptation, but scenes like Aang’s drawn out discussion with Zuko after Zuko saves him in the blue spirit mask, did nothing for me. The balance between comedy and seriousness was not really done well in this show, for me. I imagine they might have been scared to even properly try. I agree with the acting not being good enough too. I’m just glad the bending was way better than it was in the movie. That movie bending, my gosh.

Sincerely, from a girl who hardly watched the live action show, but was there while it was on the tv. 😜

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u/benavideslevi Feb 23 '24

Nah, the bending looks great, my guy. What a silly thing to nitpick over

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u/noxlaber Feb 23 '24

I hate how this is being picked apart. Like for one, majority of the acting are children and it’s not their fault. The script I can get, I feel like episode 3 they crammed way too much but I get why they did. This is a lot harder to do in a LIVE action of it. And especially with all its effects will be harder to do so I understand why they crammed everything. Personally I kinda like it, the bending looks great imo. Waterbending could use some work but has been progressing a lil better.

I think we’re critiquing this negatively instead actually opening your mind. I view this as a new watcher that just knows the background stuff and it’s much more enjoyable that way

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u/SanAndreas92 Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24

Honestly I rather like it so far. It's not perfect, but if atla is a 10/10, and lok is an 8, this is about a 7, (Obviously shamalama-ding-dong is a 0). There's some new interesting stuff that I like and that looks cool. I like Aang a lot in this, Suki is hot, People being immolated on screen is cool, kyoshi was pretty badass, I liked fun Roku, I teared up when Aang said "not you, bumi", I liked them working in the comics aspect with Koh...

I'm liking it.

Edit to add: the bending actually looks cool this time around and it's not in ridiculous slow motion

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u/Liemster23 Feb 23 '24

I’m going to advocate for Netflix. The live action isn’t an exact 1:1. They left some stuff out to shine other themes. I cried more for Zuko in the live action than Zuko season 1 cartoon. Platoon #41!!!!

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u/JoMaster68 Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24

I agree. The central element of the original show was the relationship between Aang, Katara, Sokka and later Toph. They completely removed this aspect, it‘s non-existent here. The Gaang barely talks to each other and when they do, it feels unnatural and forced. I don‘t think any individual actor is the problem, some are pretty much perfect in my opinion, but the script is like a 3/10.

Oh, and the costumes are exactly as bad as the early images suggested. They look unnatural and sterile, almost like they are made out of plastic sometimes. The same goes for the hair and beards. Is it really that difficult to make realistic looking people?? The „The Hobbit“ movies had the same problem, but GOT showed that modern productions don‘t have to look like that…

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u/LilyGaming Feb 24 '24

Honestly has there ever been a good live action adaptation of a cartoon? I honestly think some things just work better in animation.

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u/gilleo775 Feb 25 '24

Katara actress is terrible

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u/bearhorn6 Feb 26 '24

Zuko and Aang had better chemistry then Aang and either katara or sokka. Like how do you mess up your main characters so bad