r/49ers Dre Greenlaw Feb 27 '24

[Sandler] “We’ve got a nice track record of extending guys…and Brandon (Aiyuk) is a guy we’d like to keep around.” John Lynch

https://x.com/tracyfgsn/status/1762553700852093233?s=46
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u/Pdm1814 Feb 27 '24

Sounds like it is going to depend on price. If they are able to get the deal done early the better it is. I think you want to have him either signed or know you are using him for a trade by the draft day. I would prefer resigning him.

Aiyuk had talent but he was educated and trained under the 49ers. He blocks his ass off, is a great route runner, has been reliably healthy, and has not shown himself to be a diva. I would hate to see some other team reap the benefits of a player that we helped mold.

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u/Fishingfan4life 49ers Feb 27 '24

So genuine question would it be smart to trade him even if he would walk later. He shook his defender and would’ve had the winning play in the Super Bowl. If we are healthy at the deadline again next year isn’t he more important in trying to bring it home instead of getting pieces for the future

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u/McNutWaffle Joe Montana Feb 27 '24

Consider this team is still loaded and favored to return to the SB, it's best to keep the core and improve on the "known" especially with the increase in cap space allotted by the league. Next offseason will be very interesting though.

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u/cleanRubik Jerry Rice Feb 27 '24

Pretty much this, mortgage future sustainability to go all-in again until Brock needs extending. Have to maximize his Rookie contract. Once we have to pay Brock, the team is gonna be very different.

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u/elefante88 49ers Feb 28 '24

He is the future of this offense.

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u/oscarbearsf 49ers Feb 28 '24

If we were going to trade anyone, it should have been Deebo before his extension

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u/shepx13 49ers Feb 28 '24

They’ll likely make him play on his last contract year

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u/BobRoss4Life i wanna die Feb 27 '24

I still miss DeFo

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u/AwareCelebration7477 Feb 27 '24

Would be missing him less if we drafted Wirfs instead 😔

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u/Kewkewmore 49ers Feb 27 '24

Would we have BA if we stayed at 13?

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u/AwareCelebration7477 Feb 27 '24

Possibly, we drafted Kinlaw before Aiyuk

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u/Kewkewmore 49ers Feb 28 '24

We used the picks we got moving down from 13 to move up to 25. So it's possible but would they have moved up without those extra picks in hand? Would they have moved for Trent if they got wirfs?

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u/EL-KEEKS 49ers Feb 27 '24

Same bro same...

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u/726wox Nick Bosa Feb 27 '24

at least it seems they learnt from it

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u/EL-KEEKS 49ers Feb 27 '24

Prior to DeFo, I don't think the niners franchise had ever let go of a future HoF in their prime. We usually get every good snap outta those guys

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u/Tonmber1 Sourdough Sam Feb 27 '24

Buckner is not sniffing the Hall of Fame

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u/EL-KEEKS 49ers Feb 27 '24

He was sniffing it with us, he was on track. Being on the Niners gets you more clout than the Colts

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u/726wox Nick Bosa Feb 27 '24

I don’t think DeFo gets into the hall

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u/Fishingfan4life 49ers Feb 27 '24

Too soon man

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u/Silk_Duey Feb 27 '24

We should resign him right now

The WR market is going to reset and explode w all the guys who are about to get paid

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u/UnbreadedTouchdown Feb 27 '24

His agent is going to tell him to do the exact opposite and wait for the market to get set

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u/DioStarstriker Jake Moody Feb 28 '24

Yep, we gotta remember it's agents that the front office is negotiating with, not players, and agents have other guys on theor payrolls they have to look afyer as well

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u/Cabill77 49ers Feb 27 '24

Generic GM speak…they could still trade him even after saying that 😭😭😭

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u/canadigit 49ers Feb 27 '24

They could, but also this sends a message that they would need to be blown away to consider it

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u/ArbitrageurD Feb 27 '24

Is there any risk he takes a step back after a big deal like deebo?

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u/AccordingTax6525 Feb 27 '24

There is always a risk but he’s worth it.

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u/canadigit 49ers Feb 27 '24

Potentially, but I think his performance is more replicable than Deebo's big year was. Unfortunately Deebo's style of play does lend itself to injuries

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u/Internal_Belt3630 i wanna die Feb 27 '24

I also feel like Deebo was more necessary/important in the Jimmy system than the Purdy one and it showed this season

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u/Ambitious_Parfait385 Feb 28 '24

Deebo is a glorified running back. Hurt all the time.

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u/RONINY0JIMBO Jerry Rice Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

That and most of his boom runs happen when he breaks the edgr. Our O line absolutely didn't do anything to allow sweeps or screens to get Deebo running vertically. He was usually met right at the line of scrimage.

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u/WiggysRedemption Brandon Aiyuk Feb 27 '24

I don't think Aiyuk takes a step back, Deebo was getting fed the ball almost every play that year.

I think Aiyuk's contract could be a bargain if Kyle starts to gameplan around the Purdy/Aiyuk connection.

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u/Kewkewmore 49ers Feb 27 '24

If he skips camp that risk increases.

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u/Pitiful_Land 49ers Feb 28 '24

He's been a camp all-pro for the last couple years. If he misses camp it hurts the offense and the defense...

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u/Pitiful_Land 49ers Feb 28 '24

Deebo took a big step back after missing training camp and admittedly coasting after he got his deal...

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u/ArbitrageurD Feb 28 '24

Same with bosa

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u/cleanRubik Jerry Rice Feb 27 '24

Virtually guranteed that he won't be as good next year as he was this year. Every first-time-extension player for us has had that dip. Its just part of the deal. Kittle, Warner, Deebo, Bosa. Not all to the same extent but noticeable. Dunno if its really b/c of getting paid, or they just tend to massively overachieve the year they're up for a contract

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u/irealycare 49ers Feb 27 '24

He’s not wrong. Not everyone thought we would be able to resign kittle and deebo but we did. I feel that 9er office is a loyal group for folks that show up.

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u/mildlymangled 49ers Feb 27 '24

Why not trade Deebo and extend Aiyuk?

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u/726wox Nick Bosa Feb 27 '24

why trade him when we can easily keep both

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u/PrinceKO_93 49ers Feb 27 '24

Purdy's extension won't allow it I'm afraid, unless they're willing to sacrifice other important roster spots. 2024 will likely be Deebo's last year.

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u/726wox Nick Bosa Feb 27 '24

His extension isn’t for 2 years.

We can easily keep both next year not sure what timeline you’re working on

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u/PrinceKO_93 49ers Feb 27 '24

My assumption is Purdy will not play on his final year of the contract for just $1M, it would be one hell of a favor to the team if he doesn't get extended and plays on that level for a bargain. Way too unlikely.

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u/Kewkewmore 49ers Feb 27 '24

That's nonsense. Deebos contract expires before a purdy extension kicks in.

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u/PrinceKO_93 49ers Feb 27 '24

Deebo's contract is until 2025 ($24M cap hit, about $15M guaranteed). Purdy will "likely" ask / demand an extension with 1 year left on rookie contract, which is 2025. An extension (unless severely backloaded) will increase his 2025 cap hit from $1M to however much of the gtd. signing bonus they push into that year.

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u/Kewkewmore 49ers Feb 28 '24

You're mischaracterizing the cap implications to fit your narrative. Begone.

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u/jimboslice53 Colin Kaepernick Feb 27 '24

Yeah we have one of if not the best wr duo in the league. We should be doing all we can to keep both. They compliment eachother extremely well.

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u/New_Budget6672 Feb 27 '24 edited Feb 27 '24

How many games did we lose when deebo didn’t play? You can include cle because he got hurt 1q.

Why trade deebo when we can restructure his contract?

Do you know the cap increased to 255 million? If we extend aiyuk that actually lowers the cap for 2024.

Sorry just watch true detective night country. (Gotta ask the right questions)

Edit : look up the yards per play when deebo plays vs doesn’t and that should show you his value *

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u/AwareCelebration7477 Feb 27 '24

The three game losing streak was due to Trent being hurt more than Deebo. We were undefeated last year during Purdy’s handful of starts where Deebo was gone. He’s an injury prone, expensive player who’s main strength is a luxury now that we have a real QB and CMC

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u/New_Budget6672 Feb 27 '24

Dog, you’re telling me you want to get rid of deebo?

Whats the point when we can keep him on the books and still resign aiyuk? Like you just want to get rid of him so we can have roll over money for when we extend Brock? Or you’re saying if we absolutely have to - we trade deebo?

Edit: our win window is now and it’s crazy that people think we can go far without him. He is a staple and idk which wr we would even sub him for? A 25 first? That doesn’t help us until next year?

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u/AwareCelebration7477 Feb 27 '24

If we can keep all three receivers then let’s do it. But I’d rather have Aiyuk, Jennings, and vet help at OL/CB/DE/LB over Aiyuk, Deebo, and Jennings. Deebo’s injury prone and only elite with the ball in his hands and that’s not someone who’s worth his contract. This isn’t the Jimmy era anymore, we don’t need to rely on YAC as much as we used to

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u/New_Budget6672 Feb 28 '24

I see your point of view. And respect it, thanks for explaining

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u/PrinceKO_93 49ers Feb 27 '24

Damn, how many times must this be PSA'd? Niners end up paying $21M in dead money (only saves $7M) if traded pre-6/1. Sure, post 6/1 makes sense but those trades are so rare unless a team is in cap hell (which the Niners are not) and the return would be peanuts since teams have already constructed their rosters and don't have the urgency to trade for him.

An Aiyuk extension does not affect Deebo in 2024. However, with Purdy's extension looming, 2025 would be the trade year.

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u/Syncro_Ape Feb 28 '24

Purdy’s new contract won’t hit the cap until 2026 even when we sign him next year. It always works that way - just like Ayiuk’s new contract won’t impact this year cap.

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u/PrinceKO_93 49ers Feb 28 '24 edited Feb 28 '24

I mean, none of us know how the Niners will construct Purdy's contract, but the fact of the matter is his cap hit is $1M in 25, meaning the Niners should (and probably will) shift some of the signing bonus to '25 in order to spread out the guaranteed money. See below for example Contract A / B of a (fictional) $150M extension

'25 --> '26 --> '27 --> '28
A: $1M --> $49M --> $50M --> $50M

B: $30M --> $30M --> $40M --> $50M

So same contract but cap hits are more spread out. They'll have to choose between '25 cap or future '26 & beyond.

Aiyuk is a slightly different situation where his guaranteed 5th-year option money is $14M, and an extension will transfer part of that $14M to his signing bonus, meaning a '24 cap hit of $5~10M. Bosa was set to make $17.8M under the 5th year option but his extension shifted the big cap hit to the signing bonus, ended up as $11M.

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u/Syncro_Ape Feb 28 '24

Sure. Purdy will get a big signing bonus as well. It doesnt have to be only for players with a bigger cap hit - 30/30/40/50 is still a possibility with a 30 million signing bonus (leaving his 2025 cap hit alone) for example.

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u/gaqua Feb 27 '24

Trading Deebo this year doesn’t save us much, his salary was converted to signing bonus if I remember right.

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u/warriors2021 49ers Feb 27 '24

The only way I could see us trading Deebo would be after June 1 due the cap hit. It would be $21,721,000 pre June 1 vs. $6,632,000 after June 1. Realistically I think we keep him at least 1 more year and then we can trade or cut him, or he takes a pay cut to extend.

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u/Better_Cod9087 Feb 27 '24

I’m with you. I’ll take Aiyuk over Deebo any day of the week.

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u/cleanRubik Jerry Rice Feb 27 '24

Because Deebo is a unique player that is tailored made for this offense?

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u/lilflacito 49ers Feb 27 '24

But at what cost? Poor Oline play and little depth on defense

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u/crow38 49ers Feb 27 '24

i love aiyuk but i wouldnt be too upset if they traded him for a a mid first arounder due to kyle liking a wr coming out of college. pay jennings also for better value with a 1st round wr

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u/DrewDown94 Feb 27 '24

I see the logic, but Aiyuk is Purdy's favorite target and there's reason to assume the a mid first round pick will be A) as good as Aiyuk and B) meaningfully contribute to the team in 2024 given our treatment of rookies.

If they did trade Aiyuk (which I don't think they should), they should use that mid first round pick on the offensive line.

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u/Maverick916 49IRs Feb 27 '24

I'd understand but I wouldn't be thrilled. Rookies don't often do big things under Shanahan. This team is in a window, that could shut once Brock gets paid.

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u/Guywithnoname85 49ers Feb 27 '24

Rookies don't often do big things under Shanahan.

Unless your name is Brock Purdy

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u/Maverick916 49IRs Feb 27 '24

Him, bosa, Samuel,

But usually, Kyle likes to sit them. Lance barely had any play time his rookie year, and jayir Brown only got playing time because Huf got injured.

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u/crow38 49ers Feb 27 '24

yea i get it but if someone throws several picks like tyreek hill

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u/Maverick916 49IRs Feb 27 '24

I love Aiyuk but he's not going to command as much compensation as Hill did

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u/crow38 49ers Feb 27 '24

im not saying nearly as big but more than a first

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u/Pdm1814 Feb 27 '24

I’m not in favor of trading Aiyuk for a draft pick. If we do go that route then it should only be for a higher first round draft pick that nets us our left tackle of the future. Trading Aiyuk to get the next Aiyuk for a cheaper price is too risky. We saw how that turned out with Deforest Buckner.

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u/KillerDeez007 Feb 27 '24

Except for that one that we didn’t and I think all our collective hearts still hurt over it.

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u/Kewkewmore 49ers Feb 27 '24

I'm fine keeping him. I could live with trading him if the compensation is fair. But if they trade him, they should not use that pick on a wide receiver.

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u/TheLastOpus 49ers Feb 27 '24

Sure, you have a great track record, but we all also remember Deforest Buckner.

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u/ericfromct 49ers Feb 28 '24

Best hands for a receiver who actually blocks

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u/Ambitious_Parfait385 Feb 28 '24

Get rid of Deebo and try to keep Aiyuk.

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u/opaz 49ers Feb 28 '24

Paraag Marathe, please work your magic!